1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,900 HOME VIDEO PLAYS 2 00:00:06,900 --> 00:00:08,100 - Huh? 3 00:00:12,740 --> 00:00:16,540 - MICHAEL JACKSON: I think every child is born to do a certain thing. 4 00:00:20,580 --> 00:00:23,820 I knew I wanted to be a...a star. 5 00:00:23,820 --> 00:00:25,500 HE GIGGLES 6 00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:29,460 Just being on the stage. 7 00:00:33,380 --> 00:00:35,860 Just looking out over a sea of faces... 8 00:00:35,860 --> 00:00:38,020 CHEERING AND SCREAMING 9 00:00:38,020 --> 00:00:39,740 ..when they're chanting and screaming. 10 00:00:44,540 --> 00:00:45,780 And I wanted it. 11 00:00:47,780 --> 00:00:49,740 Because I wanted to be loved. 12 00:00:51,140 --> 00:00:54,180 That's the real truth - I wanted people to truly love me. 13 00:00:57,980 --> 00:01:02,180 - A lot of people ask, who was Michael Jackson really? 14 00:01:05,060 --> 00:01:07,540 I mean, he was a child star 15 00:01:07,540 --> 00:01:11,780 who became the most famous man on the planet. 16 00:01:11,780 --> 00:01:14,300 - LOUD CHEERING 17 00:01:16,940 --> 00:01:20,220 - This is a man who changed the music industry. 18 00:01:20,220 --> 00:01:23,820 I mean, he is a musical genius. 19 00:01:26,340 --> 00:01:29,740 - But he was also accused of abusing children... 20 00:01:31,380 --> 00:01:33,740 ..and died without a cent to his name. 21 00:01:37,340 --> 00:01:40,260 I mean, this is the ultimate story 22 00:01:40,260 --> 00:01:42,780 of power, celebrity 23 00:01:42,780 --> 00:01:43,980 and money. 24 00:01:43,980 --> 00:01:45,740 - CROWD SCREAMS 25 00:01:47,980 --> 00:01:51,660 - And now the battle is raging for the truth 26 00:01:51,660 --> 00:01:53,740 and Michael Jackson's legacy. 27 00:02:07,380 --> 00:02:10,700 - The number one artist in the world! 28 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:24,100 - That level of megastardom is not healthy. 29 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:25,780 People are not gods. 30 00:02:33,700 --> 00:02:36,620 - Tonight, Jackson is wanted by police 31 00:02:36,620 --> 00:02:40,100 of multiple felony counts of child molestation. 32 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:45,540 - The Jackson machine just keeps right on rolling. 33 00:03:15,820 --> 00:03:17,780 - Are you guys ready for me? 34 00:03:22,740 --> 00:03:24,100 Whenever you're ready. 35 00:03:26,820 --> 00:03:28,940 People don't know my brother. 36 00:03:28,940 --> 00:03:30,340 They never did. 37 00:03:30,340 --> 00:03:32,100 They thought they did. 38 00:03:32,100 --> 00:03:35,380 And I think it's important for 39 00:03:35,380 --> 00:03:37,180 the public, the world, to see... 40 00:03:38,460 --> 00:03:40,180 ..I don't want to say the truth, 41 00:03:40,180 --> 00:03:43,580 but from a family member's perspective. 42 00:03:43,580 --> 00:03:46,180 And that's important to me, 43 00:03:46,180 --> 00:03:48,740 so you get it right and you understand, 44 00:03:48,740 --> 00:03:52,300 as opposed to reading nonsensical things in the media. 45 00:03:56,900 --> 00:03:58,620 INTERVIEWER: - What do you do mostly? 46 00:03:58,620 --> 00:04:01,060 I mean, you know, in your spare time. 47 00:04:01,060 --> 00:04:02,900 - Sports. - Yeah. 48 00:04:02,900 --> 00:04:04,100 - Messing around. 49 00:04:04,100 --> 00:04:06,060 I go swimming all the time. 50 00:04:06,060 --> 00:04:07,260 Like swimming. 51 00:04:08,180 --> 00:04:10,460 And play basketball. 52 00:04:10,460 --> 00:04:13,260 Catching lizards and things. Messing around. 53 00:04:15,420 --> 00:04:18,820 - My memory of Mike is 54 00:04:18,820 --> 00:04:22,420 basically a child 55 00:04:22,420 --> 00:04:24,740 that was far older than his age. 56 00:04:27,140 --> 00:04:30,020 Mike was always just feisty. 57 00:04:31,580 --> 00:04:33,060 - No. Sit down. 58 00:04:35,620 --> 00:04:37,580 Now, I would like to show you... 59 00:04:37,580 --> 00:04:40,380 - As young kids, we would have a photo shoot. 60 00:04:41,380 --> 00:04:44,380 He would stand there, and then he would get out the picture and say, 61 00:04:44,380 --> 00:04:47,740 "No, put Jermaine here, Jackie here, and I will be in the middle." 62 00:04:47,740 --> 00:04:50,420 And this is a little kid talking to his siblings. 63 00:04:54,300 --> 00:04:57,140 ARCHIVE PROGRAMME: - Northwestern Indiana is not like any other part 64 00:04:57,140 --> 00:04:59,780 of the state because it is solely industrial. 65 00:04:59,780 --> 00:05:02,860 One factory next to another for miles. 66 00:05:02,860 --> 00:05:06,460 The negro population of Gary, Indiana is 45.8%, 67 00:05:06,460 --> 00:05:09,940 the highest percentage in any city north of the Mason-Dixon line. 68 00:05:12,140 --> 00:05:14,380 - Growing up in Indiana, 69 00:05:14,380 --> 00:05:16,220 it was humble beginnings. 70 00:05:17,380 --> 00:05:20,340 My father, Joseph, worked in the steel mills. 71 00:05:21,460 --> 00:05:25,460 And we were a large family from a small home. 72 00:05:25,460 --> 00:05:27,580 It was two bedrooms. 73 00:05:27,580 --> 00:05:31,980 In one of the rooms, the brothers slept and there were six bunk beds. 74 00:05:31,980 --> 00:05:37,140 And my sisters and I, we slept on a, a let-out sofa in the living room. 75 00:05:40,140 --> 00:05:43,620 We were a family that loved music. 76 00:05:46,020 --> 00:05:49,380 And when Mike was around eight or nine, 77 00:05:49,380 --> 00:05:52,460 he would do riffs constantly 78 00:05:52,460 --> 00:05:56,580 and no matter what you would sing to him, he would do it even better. 79 00:05:59,300 --> 00:06:04,340 My father, he saw them performing together and he says, 80 00:06:04,340 --> 00:06:06,340 "Geez." 81 00:06:06,340 --> 00:06:08,740 He became their manager 82 00:06:08,740 --> 00:06:12,100 because he saw a bigger and brighter future. 83 00:06:15,900 --> 00:06:19,260 They used to do shows, what they called back then, 84 00:06:19,260 --> 00:06:21,060 was the Chitlin' Circuit. 85 00:06:21,060 --> 00:06:22,540 It was famous black artists, 86 00:06:22,540 --> 00:06:25,340 but they were performing for a black audience. 87 00:06:26,700 --> 00:06:28,860 - Don't be afraid. Don't be ashamed. 88 00:06:28,860 --> 00:06:34,700 We want black power. 89 00:06:40,140 --> 00:06:44,100 - To perform during that period of time was very challenging, 90 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:47,260 based on the fact that we were kind of relegated 91 00:06:47,260 --> 00:06:49,260 to certain areas of our country 92 00:06:49,260 --> 00:06:51,940 and not very welcome in some parts. 93 00:06:55,420 --> 00:06:57,820 But we learned how to deal with it 94 00:06:57,820 --> 00:06:59,620 and how to break down the barrier 95 00:06:59,620 --> 00:07:01,780 that they thought they put in front of us. 96 00:07:17,020 --> 00:07:19,540 - # ..I know 97 00:07:19,540 --> 00:07:25,660 # And bring it back to Tobacco Road. # 98 00:07:25,660 --> 00:07:30,740 - I met Michael when they were coming in to audition to be on Motown. 99 00:07:30,740 --> 00:07:35,340 I had to kind of just look at him and shake my head. 100 00:07:35,340 --> 00:07:38,580 I said, "My God, this kid is amazing." 101 00:07:38,580 --> 00:07:41,620 - It was an exciting time. 102 00:07:41,620 --> 00:07:43,300 They wanted it so badly. 103 00:07:43,300 --> 00:07:46,140 And then finally, there they are, signed to Motown. 104 00:07:46,140 --> 00:07:48,540 - # When I had you to myself 105 00:07:48,540 --> 00:07:50,940 # I didn't want you around 106 00:07:50,940 --> 00:07:53,500 # Those pretty faces always made you 107 00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:55,820 # Stand out in the crowd 108 00:07:55,820 --> 00:07:58,500 # Cos someone picked you from the bunch... # 109 00:07:58,500 --> 00:08:03,140 - Michael, he had something that nobody else had, 110 00:08:03,140 --> 00:08:07,700 and his performances were meticulously done. 111 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:11,500 Watching their growth over their years 112 00:08:11,500 --> 00:08:14,140 was sensational. 113 00:08:14,140 --> 00:08:17,940 - We've got some great guests - the incredible Jackson 5. 114 00:08:17,940 --> 00:08:19,780 - CHEERING 115 00:08:21,940 --> 00:08:25,780 - One of the hottest recording groups today is the Jackson 5. 116 00:08:25,780 --> 00:08:29,620 The only American group to have four consecutive number one records. 117 00:08:31,380 --> 00:08:35,100 - Kids nowadays don't know how big the Jackson 5 were. 118 00:08:36,940 --> 00:08:40,140 They were our Beatles, our black royalty. 119 00:08:41,540 --> 00:08:43,700 You had Beatlemania, you had Jacksonmania. 120 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:46,460 - SCREAMING 121 00:08:46,460 --> 00:08:48,780 REPORTER: - Not since the heyday of the Beatles, has the music world 122 00:08:48,780 --> 00:08:51,380 seen anything like the Jackson 5, 123 00:08:51,380 --> 00:08:54,820 about to receive yet another platinum record. 124 00:08:54,820 --> 00:08:57,900 - But you have to give a lot of credit to the original Jackson two - 125 00:08:57,900 --> 00:08:59,740 Mr and Mrs Joe Jackson. 126 00:08:59,740 --> 00:09:02,180 - I decided to deal with the boys 127 00:09:02,180 --> 00:09:03,820 as much as I possibly can, 128 00:09:03,820 --> 00:09:06,340 getting them prepared to be in show business. 129 00:09:06,340 --> 00:09:09,380 - They come to us originally from Gary, Indiana - 130 00:09:09,380 --> 00:09:10,980 the Jackson 5. 131 00:09:10,980 --> 00:09:12,980 - APPLAUSE 132 00:09:15,420 --> 00:09:16,660 - It was just amazing... 133 00:09:18,300 --> 00:09:22,660 ..to see this black family post-segregation 134 00:09:22,660 --> 00:09:24,340 who were so famous... 135 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:28,980 ..and that you could identify with. 136 00:09:28,980 --> 00:09:32,180 Showed black people that we can make it in America. 137 00:09:43,460 --> 00:09:46,860 - ARCHIVE PROGRAMME: - It's called Los Angeles, the city of the angels. 138 00:09:48,940 --> 00:09:51,020 People from all over the world, 139 00:09:51,020 --> 00:09:53,980 drawn by a city of limitless boundaries 140 00:09:53,980 --> 00:09:56,740 and one that offers unlimited opportunity. 141 00:10:03,660 --> 00:10:04,980 - Growing up in Indiana, 142 00:10:04,980 --> 00:10:07,220 Mike would have this little projector thing 143 00:10:07,220 --> 00:10:10,140 that you put over your eyes and you would click it 144 00:10:10,140 --> 00:10:13,300 and it would show a different slide of LA. 145 00:10:13,300 --> 00:10:15,900 He would say, "Oh, this is so beautiful. 146 00:10:15,900 --> 00:10:17,820 "I would love to live there one day." 147 00:10:19,140 --> 00:10:22,260 So moving to Los Angeles 148 00:10:22,260 --> 00:10:24,180 was simply amazing. 149 00:10:25,380 --> 00:10:29,580 We were so elated and excited just to see the beauty of the city. 150 00:10:31,860 --> 00:10:34,420 And it was such a different life. 151 00:10:37,140 --> 00:10:40,060 We moved to this huge mansion 152 00:10:40,060 --> 00:10:42,060 and my father just said, 153 00:10:42,060 --> 00:10:44,500 "I think this will be a perfect place." 154 00:10:46,540 --> 00:10:48,660 And you know, what my father said goes. 155 00:10:50,420 --> 00:10:53,020 - Let's introduce Mr Joe Jackson, 156 00:10:53,020 --> 00:10:54,620 the father of... 157 00:10:54,620 --> 00:10:56,940 - APPLAUSE DROWNS SPEECH 158 00:10:56,940 --> 00:10:59,380 - There you are. There you are. 159 00:11:04,340 --> 00:11:06,820 OK. We're going to find out who's boss around here. 160 00:11:06,820 --> 00:11:12,180 Do you have to ever discipline this lively group you've got here? 161 00:11:12,180 --> 00:11:15,580 - I have a way, you know, like when Randy don't do right, 162 00:11:15,580 --> 00:11:19,020 we make him take out all the garbage or something. 163 00:11:19,020 --> 00:11:22,060 - Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, but what about Michael? 164 00:11:22,060 --> 00:11:24,380 If Michael... Michael always does right? 165 00:11:24,380 --> 00:11:26,540 Is he always...? - No, not all the time. 166 00:11:26,540 --> 00:11:29,900 The way we discipline Michael is sort of like, 167 00:11:29,900 --> 00:11:32,780 we don't give him as much money to spend. 168 00:11:32,780 --> 00:11:34,260 Mikey. 169 00:11:34,260 --> 00:11:37,500 - Do you think it's a good profession for them? 170 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:39,660 - Yes, I like for them to... 171 00:11:39,660 --> 00:11:41,860 - I moved to Los Angeles... 172 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:46,260 ..to work for the family 173 00:11:46,260 --> 00:11:48,500 out of Joseph's office. 174 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:52,820 When Joseph spoke to me about coming to work for the boys, 175 00:11:52,820 --> 00:11:58,180 he presented himself as a really concerned, loving father. 176 00:11:59,660 --> 00:12:02,340 Joseph grew up dirt poor 177 00:12:02,340 --> 00:12:05,540 before civil rights. 178 00:12:05,540 --> 00:12:07,820 And to take from nothing 179 00:12:07,820 --> 00:12:11,780 and build that act was huge. 180 00:12:11,780 --> 00:12:15,900 And all of a sudden, now he's living in a wealthy house in Encino, 181 00:12:15,900 --> 00:12:18,620 he's got a Rolls-Royce. 182 00:12:18,620 --> 00:12:22,580 He really was chasing the American dream. 183 00:12:25,580 --> 00:12:28,700 - At that point, they were portrayed as this happy, loving family. 184 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:34,660 But my experience, can't speak for anybody else's, 185 00:12:34,660 --> 00:12:36,460 but my experience of what I saw, 186 00:12:36,460 --> 00:12:38,940 that was the farthest thing from the truth. 187 00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:44,500 I went to high school with Michael's baby sister, Janet, 188 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:48,260 and Michael was also a very close friend. 189 00:12:48,260 --> 00:12:51,620 When I would be there and Joseph would pull in, 190 00:12:51,620 --> 00:12:54,540 you know, the speaker or the phone would ring and it would be like, 191 00:12:54,540 --> 00:12:57,220 "Joseph's here," and everyone's like, "Oh, God, Joseph's here." 192 00:12:57,220 --> 00:13:00,580 We weren't that, you know, savvy back then about this stuff. 193 00:13:00,580 --> 00:13:04,100 But knowing that there was just weirdness. 194 00:13:48,260 --> 00:13:51,020 - I found out later Joseph... 195 00:13:52,180 --> 00:13:54,700 ..had done some really awful stuff. 196 00:13:54,700 --> 00:13:58,100 Joseph would put Michael in the closet, 197 00:13:58,100 --> 00:14:02,340 in the dressing room, in the dark and lock it 198 00:14:02,340 --> 00:14:07,700 so that he was...he would do what Joseph would tell him to do, 199 00:14:08,980 --> 00:14:12,780 And nobody figured out what was going on. 200 00:14:18,620 --> 00:14:21,420 - He wasn't as cruel as people think. 201 00:14:21,420 --> 00:14:25,500 But Mike had a fear of my father, we all did 202 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:29,580 because we felt, "OK, what did we do wrong? 203 00:14:30,660 --> 00:14:32,500 "He's going to discipline us." 204 00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:34,100 And you were kind of afraid of that. 205 00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:37,260 It just put something in your belly 206 00:14:37,260 --> 00:14:39,980 and you would say to yourself, 207 00:14:39,980 --> 00:14:41,140 "Oh, no." 208 00:14:41,140 --> 00:14:43,660 His eyebrows would grow, go up 209 00:14:43,660 --> 00:14:45,700 and his eyes would turn... 210 00:14:47,180 --> 00:14:49,460 ..a deeper green, 211 00:14:49,460 --> 00:14:51,380 a deeper green than they were. 212 00:14:51,380 --> 00:14:53,020 And you knew he was angry. 213 00:14:53,020 --> 00:14:55,420 Everybody would say, "I don't want to get in trouble 214 00:14:55,420 --> 00:14:57,660 "because Joseph's going to strangle us." 215 00:15:07,380 --> 00:15:10,460 - We're right, almost in the middle of a recording session 216 00:15:10,460 --> 00:15:11,940 with the Jacksons, 217 00:15:11,940 --> 00:15:14,380 and we're going to bring the boys in right now. 218 00:15:14,380 --> 00:15:15,740 All five of them. 219 00:15:16,820 --> 00:15:18,340 Here they are. 220 00:15:26,140 --> 00:15:28,820 Now, I don't have to give any introduction to these gentlemen, 221 00:15:28,820 --> 00:15:30,220 do I? 222 00:15:30,220 --> 00:15:33,020 You knew them originally as the Jackson 5. 223 00:15:33,020 --> 00:15:34,300 They're the Jacksons now. 224 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:36,140 They record on Epic. 225 00:15:39,220 --> 00:15:41,180 - This is really a special picture to me. 226 00:15:42,580 --> 00:15:44,420 Both of our hair is kind of big. 227 00:15:44,420 --> 00:15:46,420 His face looks completely different. 228 00:15:46,420 --> 00:15:48,580 So this was earlier, I guess. 229 00:15:48,580 --> 00:15:51,700 He still looks like a great looking kid, you know. 230 00:15:52,820 --> 00:15:55,660 When the Jackson 5 came to Epic, 231 00:15:55,660 --> 00:15:58,060 they were a good pop group. 232 00:15:58,060 --> 00:16:02,540 But Michael was so much the centre of it, 233 00:16:02,540 --> 00:16:04,180 the star. 234 00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:08,580 He just wanted to be perfect in a way. 235 00:16:08,580 --> 00:16:11,260 He wanted to be the best dancer ever 236 00:16:11,260 --> 00:16:13,180 and best singer, 237 00:16:13,180 --> 00:16:15,100 the best entertainer. 238 00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:16,860 He wanted to be a great. 239 00:16:16,860 --> 00:16:19,420 - You guys are really riding a big high now, 240 00:16:19,420 --> 00:16:21,780 as far as producing records and so on. 241 00:16:21,780 --> 00:16:23,660 Do you think this is the peak of your career now, 242 00:16:23,660 --> 00:16:25,380 or have you gone down a little bit? 243 00:16:25,380 --> 00:16:27,380 Are you expecting bigger and better things? 244 00:16:27,380 --> 00:16:29,380 - Well, we're looking forward to doing other things, 245 00:16:29,380 --> 00:16:31,380 like producing other people 246 00:16:31,380 --> 00:16:33,860 and producing ourselves in the future 247 00:16:33,860 --> 00:16:36,100 and going into acting and that type of thing. 248 00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:41,300 - LOUD TRAFFIC DIN 249 00:16:46,700 --> 00:16:49,460 ARCHIVE PROGRAMME: New York is the most exciting city in the world, 250 00:16:49,460 --> 00:16:52,900 but New York has never seen anything like The Wiz, 251 00:16:52,900 --> 00:16:57,020 a new musical motion picture being made here that stars Diana Ross. 252 00:16:58,900 --> 00:17:02,580 - The Wiz was the black version of The Wizard of Oz. 253 00:17:04,140 --> 00:17:07,140 And Michael really wanted to be in that movie. 254 00:17:10,860 --> 00:17:14,940 - My father didn't want him to venture off into movies... 255 00:17:16,220 --> 00:17:18,420 ..because he felt it would break up the group, 256 00:17:18,420 --> 00:17:20,780 and he would go in a different direction, 257 00:17:20,780 --> 00:17:23,460 and he wanted to keep the brothers together. 258 00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:26,460 As he always said, "I want to keep my boys together." 259 00:17:26,460 --> 00:17:28,700 But this is something that Mike saw. 260 00:17:28,700 --> 00:17:31,900 He loved opportunity and he went for it. 261 00:17:43,420 --> 00:17:46,020 - How did you feel when you heard you got the part in The Wiz? 262 00:17:46,020 --> 00:17:47,940 And especially playing with Diana Ross. 263 00:17:47,940 --> 00:17:50,180 - I was very happy. 264 00:17:50,180 --> 00:17:51,700 I would talk to Diana on the phone. 265 00:17:51,700 --> 00:17:54,420 I'd say, "You're going to film The Wiz next week, huh?" 266 00:17:54,420 --> 00:17:56,700 Or next month. And she would say, "Yeah." 267 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:58,540 Next thing I notice, I was in it. 268 00:18:01,580 --> 00:18:04,260 - Mike and I were extremely close. 269 00:18:06,340 --> 00:18:08,620 So we moved to New York together. 270 00:18:12,340 --> 00:18:15,140 And going to set every day, 271 00:18:15,140 --> 00:18:18,860 he just embraced it with great joy. 272 00:18:18,860 --> 00:18:21,420 But most of all, what he would always say, 273 00:18:21,420 --> 00:18:24,020 "I'm learning so much, LaToya. You have no idea." 274 00:18:24,020 --> 00:18:27,420 - Hey, fellas, is today the day you're going to help me get down from here? 275 00:18:27,420 --> 00:18:29,780 - ALL: - Help you down? 276 00:18:29,780 --> 00:18:31,660 - What is going down 277 00:18:31,660 --> 00:18:34,140 in that hayloft you call a head? 278 00:18:36,380 --> 00:18:38,860 - Living in New York, 279 00:18:38,860 --> 00:18:43,340 we were so used to being with family, 280 00:18:43,340 --> 00:18:46,700 being controlled by my father, 281 00:18:46,700 --> 00:18:49,220 but, yeah, you could do what you wanted. 282 00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:53,380 It was so wonderful. 283 00:18:54,780 --> 00:18:57,860 DISCO MUSIC PLAYS 284 00:19:07,860 --> 00:19:09,820 - Is Michael there? 285 00:19:09,820 --> 00:19:12,220 Hi, Michael. Come on in. You can come right in. Hi. 286 00:19:12,220 --> 00:19:13,860 How are you? 287 00:19:13,860 --> 00:19:15,780 You just walked in. How are you? 288 00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:18,380 Michael, this is Jane Hall. - Excuse me. - Come sit over here. 289 00:19:18,380 --> 00:19:22,340 - It's been a long day for you, and you're unwinding here? 290 00:19:22,340 --> 00:19:23,860 - Erm, you mean today? 291 00:19:23,860 --> 00:19:28,340 No. We're all finished with the movie, but I'm just relaxing now. 292 00:19:28,340 --> 00:19:31,620 - Just hanging out in New York. - Yes. Studio 54! 293 00:19:31,620 --> 00:19:33,940 - When you hear the name Studio 54, 294 00:19:33,940 --> 00:19:36,300 what... What does that do? Does your pulse quicken 295 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:37,860 and your feet start moving? 296 00:19:37,860 --> 00:19:39,980 - Yeah. I'm ready to have a good time. 297 00:19:39,980 --> 00:19:42,540 It's where you come when you want to escape. 298 00:19:42,540 --> 00:19:44,380 It's really escapism. 299 00:19:44,380 --> 00:19:47,100 - But you're Michael Jackson, you don't have it so bad. 300 00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:48,580 What are you escaping from? 301 00:19:48,580 --> 00:19:50,140 - I'm not escaping from anything. 302 00:19:50,140 --> 00:19:51,820 It's just a change of pace. 303 00:19:51,820 --> 00:19:53,660 - Right... - It is a change of pace. 304 00:19:53,660 --> 00:19:55,380 - He doesn't escape from anything. 305 00:19:55,380 --> 00:19:57,300 If anything, he's one of those people who are very recognisable... 306 00:19:57,300 --> 00:19:59,260 - Doing The Wiz 307 00:19:59,260 --> 00:20:02,300 and all the work that he had done... 308 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:07,300 ..and the growth that came with it... 309 00:20:09,660 --> 00:20:14,220 ..took him mentally in a different direction, 310 00:20:14,220 --> 00:20:16,500 saying, "I want to do a solo album." 311 00:20:23,820 --> 00:20:27,500 - By Michael doing The Wiz, he had a chance to meet 312 00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:31,060 great composer, arranger - Quincy Jones. 313 00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:38,180 And Quincy had worked with Sinatra, 314 00:20:38,180 --> 00:20:41,020 I mean, the greatest music people ever. 315 00:20:42,540 --> 00:20:44,540 - PHONE RINGS 316 00:20:44,540 --> 00:20:46,540 MICHAEL JACKSON: - I called Quincy up one day. 317 00:20:46,540 --> 00:20:50,420 I said, "Quincy, I'm ready to do an album, a solo album. 318 00:20:50,420 --> 00:20:54,820 "But I want a real good producer to work with me." 319 00:20:54,820 --> 00:20:56,700 I said, "Can you recommend somebody?" 320 00:20:58,100 --> 00:21:01,060 And he said, "Why don't you let me do it?" 321 00:21:05,220 --> 00:21:06,660 # Whoa! 322 00:21:14,220 --> 00:21:16,140 # Lovely... # 323 00:21:16,140 --> 00:21:19,380 - I remember getting a copy of Off the Wall, 324 00:21:19,380 --> 00:21:22,700 and when I heard Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough, 325 00:21:22,700 --> 00:21:26,860 I was just astonished to hear, "Oh, my gosh." 326 00:21:26,860 --> 00:21:28,660 I said, "Michael, this is going to be... 327 00:21:30,180 --> 00:21:31,900 .."it's going to be phenomenal." 328 00:21:33,380 --> 00:21:36,500 - This is the album that's caused the storm right around the world. 329 00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:38,260 It's Michael's Off the Wall album 330 00:21:38,260 --> 00:21:41,860 and, hopefully, we've got Michael in LA on the phone now. 331 00:21:41,860 --> 00:21:43,900 Let's have this. Oh, here we go. 332 00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:46,660 Hello. Michael? - Hello. - How are you? 333 00:21:49,140 --> 00:21:52,660 - He's the first artist to have four top ten singles 334 00:21:52,660 --> 00:21:54,700 with his Off the Wall album. 335 00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:57,420 He keeps breaking records. It's just amazing. 336 00:21:57,420 --> 00:21:58,740 - Oh! 337 00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:06,180 - It had to happen. 338 00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:10,420 - I feel like I'm overawed. 339 00:22:10,420 --> 00:22:15,300 - He had earned the right to be Michael. 340 00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:17,380 - CROWD SCREAMS 341 00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:21,460 - He felt that it's now my time. 342 00:22:36,500 --> 00:22:39,420 - CHATTERING 343 00:22:40,420 --> 00:22:41,820 - Mayor? OK. 344 00:22:41,820 --> 00:22:43,900 - Let's get the mayor back here. 345 00:22:43,900 --> 00:22:45,140 - Yeah. 346 00:22:45,140 --> 00:22:46,420 - I'm rolling. 347 00:22:46,420 --> 00:22:48,260 - Hey, guys. What'd you think of this? 348 00:22:48,260 --> 00:22:51,180 Were you ever afraid when you saw that big crowd? 349 00:22:51,180 --> 00:22:53,020 - Never afraid. - Never afraid. 350 00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:56,940 - It's a lot of excitement and it's nice to see the fans all come out 351 00:22:56,940 --> 00:23:00,340 to greet us at the airport. I think it's, I think it's wonderful. 352 00:23:01,820 --> 00:23:03,860 - What do you have to say for Atlanta? 353 00:23:03,860 --> 00:23:05,500 I'll start here. 354 00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:08,140 - Love it, I can't wait, tomorrow night. 355 00:23:08,140 --> 00:23:09,540 I love it. 356 00:23:09,540 --> 00:23:11,140 - We love you, Atlanta. 357 00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:12,580 - We love you very much. 358 00:23:12,580 --> 00:23:14,540 Tomorrow night, everybody be out there 359 00:23:14,540 --> 00:23:16,620 because we're going to do our best. Have a good time. 360 00:23:27,140 --> 00:23:29,540 - INTERVIEWER: - At this point, Michael really is kind of the mainstay 361 00:23:29,540 --> 00:23:31,660 of the Jacksons. Has it always been that way? 362 00:23:33,140 --> 00:23:35,100 - Um, yes. Yes. 363 00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:37,420 - Michael has always been sort of the star? 364 00:23:37,420 --> 00:23:40,020 - Yeah. He's been highlighted the most cos he's the lead singer 365 00:23:40,020 --> 00:23:41,700 and he's up front, you know. 366 00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:44,780 As a little kid, we put him up front because he danced so much 367 00:23:44,780 --> 00:23:46,020 and had so much energy. 368 00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:53,940 - I think my brothers, 369 00:23:53,940 --> 00:23:57,980 some of them felt that once he do this, 370 00:23:57,980 --> 00:24:00,100 he's never coming back. 371 00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:01,940 He's going to abandon us. 372 00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:08,420 And that was kind of disturbing to some of them. 373 00:24:08,420 --> 00:24:11,900 And then the others were just, "Well, let's see where it goes. 374 00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:13,620 "Let's see where it leads." 375 00:24:19,620 --> 00:24:22,300 - I remember the boys being in the office, 376 00:24:22,300 --> 00:24:26,620 and one of them distinctly said if it wasn't for them, 377 00:24:26,620 --> 00:24:30,860 Michael wouldn't be who he was because they were the ones, 378 00:24:30,860 --> 00:24:34,060 and Joseph was the one who made Michael who he is 379 00:24:34,060 --> 00:24:37,220 and he basically wouldn't be shit without them. 380 00:24:37,220 --> 00:24:39,340 And it was them that built him. 381 00:24:39,340 --> 00:24:41,340 And Michael's just sitting there listening to this. 382 00:24:43,540 --> 00:24:45,580 And he sat there and he took it. 383 00:24:45,580 --> 00:24:47,940 I just remember thinking, 384 00:24:47,940 --> 00:24:50,660 "How mean. Why are you guys being so mean to him?" 385 00:24:50,660 --> 00:24:53,580 I just, I wanted to go in and, like, hurt them 386 00:24:53,580 --> 00:24:56,100 because they were being mean to Mike. 387 00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:58,420 - SHOUTING AND SCREAMING 388 00:25:00,820 --> 00:25:04,900 - I think Michael had grown up feeling under Joseph 389 00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:07,220 that he wasn't anything more than a commodity. 390 00:25:08,220 --> 00:25:11,180 And I think in that moment it crystallised for Michael 391 00:25:11,180 --> 00:25:14,420 that he was nothing more than a commodity to his brothers. 392 00:25:14,420 --> 00:25:16,660 And I think it broke his heart. 393 00:25:26,940 --> 00:25:28,900 - Oh, hi, Steve. I didn't see you. 394 00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:31,980 Fine. How are you? 395 00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:45,220 - If things got difficult for Mike, 396 00:25:45,220 --> 00:25:49,740 he always had a very loving relationship with my mother. 397 00:25:49,740 --> 00:25:51,340 It was a very... 398 00:25:52,580 --> 00:25:54,700 ..trusted relationship. 399 00:25:56,740 --> 00:26:01,580 If something upset him, she would always make sense out of everything. 400 00:26:04,540 --> 00:26:07,220 - # Don't look so sad... # 401 00:26:07,220 --> 00:26:09,020 This is one of your favourite songs. 402 00:26:10,420 --> 00:26:13,060 # I know it's... # 403 00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:22,940 - My mother was a very religious person. 404 00:26:22,940 --> 00:26:25,100 She was a Jehovah Witness. 405 00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:32,060 And she always thought if you had a personal relationship with God, 406 00:26:32,060 --> 00:26:34,060 then he would show you the way. 407 00:26:45,380 --> 00:26:47,180 - It's strange being back here. 408 00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:49,140 I haven't lived here for many years. 409 00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:53,740 Yeah, it was such a strange time, you know, with Michael being 410 00:26:53,740 --> 00:26:55,420 suddenly so famous 411 00:26:55,420 --> 00:27:00,180 and we're just going door-to-door trying to save souls. 412 00:27:00,180 --> 00:27:02,060 Michael would say, 413 00:27:02,060 --> 00:27:03,820 "Hi, my name is Joe." 414 00:27:03,820 --> 00:27:06,260 That was his middle name, so he wasn't lying. 415 00:27:06,260 --> 00:27:07,740 "This is my friend Christian. 416 00:27:07,740 --> 00:27:10,740 "We're here to talk to you about the wonderful hope of God's kingdom." 417 00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:13,060 And the people would kind of stare. 418 00:27:13,060 --> 00:27:14,900 They would think, 419 00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:17,380 that guy really looks like Michael Jackson. 420 00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:19,380 You can kind of see it in their eyes. 421 00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:25,020 The Jehovah's Witnesses are millennialists, 422 00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:28,020 so they believe that Armageddon is coming any day now, 423 00:27:28,020 --> 00:27:31,420 when God's going to cleanse the Earth of all the evil people. 424 00:27:31,420 --> 00:27:34,780 And so our job as Jehovah's Witnesses was to go door-to-door 425 00:27:34,780 --> 00:27:37,540 and try to recruit people to save them 426 00:27:37,540 --> 00:27:40,300 so that they could join the religion and then, you know, 427 00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:43,020 hopefully make it into the paradise that was going to come. 428 00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:48,820 Michael had a tough upbringing, and I think that he had a, you know, 429 00:27:48,820 --> 00:27:52,860 fantastical view of what he wanted the world to be. 430 00:27:52,860 --> 00:27:56,300 And I think this idea of, uh, 431 00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:59,380 God bringing a paradise just was very appealing. 432 00:27:59,380 --> 00:28:01,300 And I think that was a big part of his enthusiasm 433 00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:04,340 for going door-to-door, he genuinely wanted to tell people. 434 00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:08,460 - MICHAEL JACKSON: - We did missionary work door-to-door. 435 00:28:09,780 --> 00:28:11,700 We did 90 hours a month. 436 00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:15,060 It was just a wonderful time for me because it allowed me 437 00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:17,940 to get out into society and to see people. 438 00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:21,100 I was totally deprived of seeing people open their doors. 439 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:24,140 I don't go to other people's houses. I don't know what they live like. 440 00:28:24,140 --> 00:28:27,700 So when they would open the door and say, "Come in," I would come in. 441 00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:34,540 - I was 15 when we started hanging out together. 442 00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:37,940 I think he felt safe with us 443 00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:41,660 because he had no other space where he didn't have something, 444 00:28:41,660 --> 00:28:43,900 some place where people wanted something from him 445 00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:45,420 because of his fame. 446 00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:47,260 We just liked him because of who he was, 447 00:28:47,260 --> 00:28:49,900 and that he was part of this joint community 448 00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:52,100 where we were all working to do God's will. 449 00:28:55,980 --> 00:28:59,260 But at the same time, I think he was conflicted about who he was. 450 00:29:00,980 --> 00:29:03,900 Because, even though he was very devout, 451 00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:06,820 I think Michael had a lot of ambition 452 00:29:06,820 --> 00:29:10,900 around being perceived as 453 00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:13,180 very successful, very talented. 454 00:29:13,180 --> 00:29:14,820 He was raised in this paradigm 455 00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:17,620 where success is how you get validation, right, 456 00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:19,420 and from the time he was a little kid. 457 00:29:19,420 --> 00:29:21,060 So I don't think he ever lost that. 458 00:29:21,060 --> 00:29:22,860 Michael sometimes would stand in front of a mirror 459 00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:25,980 and say "100 million, 100 million," 460 00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:28,980 because he was he wanted to sell 100 million albums 461 00:29:28,980 --> 00:29:30,540 on his next album. 462 00:29:30,540 --> 00:29:34,540 And I think that really fed him. 463 00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:57,740 - Michael's ambition, I believe, 464 00:29:57,740 --> 00:30:01,580 was to make the greatest album ever heard. 465 00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:08,900 But he also knew the power of motion pictures. 466 00:30:10,820 --> 00:30:14,300 He wanted to use video to drive sales. 467 00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:16,820 I mean, rock bands have been doing that for years. 468 00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:22,100 - I'm not like the other guys. 469 00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:24,860 I mean, I'm different. 470 00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:27,420 Um... 471 00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:31,820 I'm a monster. 472 00:30:39,020 --> 00:30:42,620 - Michael, I think this is going to be the Citizen Kane of the videos. 473 00:30:42,620 --> 00:30:45,540 I really do. It's going to be the most revolutionary thing 474 00:30:45,540 --> 00:30:47,780 in the history of videos, you know? 475 00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:54,020 I mean, it's a new art form now, but I think this is leading the way. 476 00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:55,540 Beat It and this one is leading the way. 477 00:31:00,220 --> 00:31:01,740 - What a great looking kid. 478 00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:06,580 Film-makers, they usually know 479 00:31:06,580 --> 00:31:08,580 when they have something. 480 00:31:08,580 --> 00:31:10,060 And I knew we had something. 481 00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:14,460 Music video was new at that time 482 00:31:14,460 --> 00:31:16,140 and this is pre-internet. 483 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:20,660 And Michael's videos were special. 484 00:31:20,660 --> 00:31:21,940 You could tell. 485 00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:29,180 - Some prominent black musicians are complaining 486 00:31:29,180 --> 00:31:31,500 that they are being left out of the video market, 487 00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:34,660 specifically the music television cable operation. 488 00:31:34,660 --> 00:31:38,140 - We are looking for a certain sound and a certain point of view. 489 00:31:38,140 --> 00:31:41,820 - Bob Pittman is the 29-year-old whiz kid who created MTV 490 00:31:41,820 --> 00:31:45,460 after a successful career as a radio station programme director. 491 00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:47,300 - We are not all things to all people. 492 00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:48,660 We are cable television. 493 00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:51,460 And what cable television does best is specialise - 494 00:31:51,460 --> 00:31:54,260 one thing per channel - so you know exactly what you're getting 495 00:31:54,260 --> 00:31:55,580 when you turn on the channel. 496 00:31:56,900 --> 00:32:00,220 - It was almost impossible for a black artist to get on the cover 497 00:32:00,220 --> 00:32:04,460 of any of the major magazines or TV shows. 498 00:32:04,460 --> 00:32:06,820 - Over Christmas, I watched MTV. 499 00:32:06,820 --> 00:32:09,020 I saw no black star. 500 00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:12,420 - Plenty of black stars, but only black stars who do rock and roll... 501 00:32:13,620 --> 00:32:16,540 - And MTV refused to play Michael's video. 502 00:32:16,540 --> 00:32:17,900 - ..you don't see R&B. 503 00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:20,420 - He was outraged. 504 00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:22,940 It was pure, blatant racism. Plain and simple. 505 00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:27,180 - Prejudice is ignorance. 506 00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:29,100 Music has no colour. 507 00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:30,500 I don't believe in that. 508 00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:33,260 What I do, I don't want it labelled black or white. 509 00:32:33,260 --> 00:32:35,460 I want it labelled as music. 510 00:32:35,460 --> 00:32:39,980 - A few of us at Epic and the president of CBS records, 511 00:32:39,980 --> 00:32:44,700 we all went up there and explained why they had to play those videos. 512 00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:48,340 - They said, "You can't continue with a programme like this 513 00:32:48,340 --> 00:32:52,740 "without honouring some of the best music that America has to offer. 514 00:32:52,740 --> 00:32:57,340 "And some of the best music America has to offer is made and performed 515 00:32:57,340 --> 00:32:58,620 "by black artists." 516 00:32:58,620 --> 00:33:00,540 Period. End of discussion. 517 00:33:00,540 --> 00:33:03,260 They only could look at the bottom line and say, 518 00:33:03,260 --> 00:33:05,140 "You can't ignore these tracks." 519 00:33:05,140 --> 00:33:07,180 And once they played Michael... 520 00:33:08,620 --> 00:33:09,820 ..it took off. 521 00:33:15,820 --> 00:33:18,660 - TV REPORT: Michael Jackson's album Thriller has been topping 522 00:33:18,660 --> 00:33:21,940 various record charts, so it should come as no surprise 523 00:33:21,940 --> 00:33:24,140 that Thriller is number one on Billboard's chart 524 00:33:24,140 --> 00:33:26,380 of most successful pop albums. 525 00:33:26,380 --> 00:33:28,820 - Well, the title song from that blockbuster album, 526 00:33:28,820 --> 00:33:31,740 now the subject of the most talked about music video to come along. 527 00:33:31,740 --> 00:33:32,940 Take a look at this. 528 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:39,420 - Thriller was an amazing piece of work. 529 00:33:40,460 --> 00:33:41,940 Like, everybody loved it 530 00:33:41,940 --> 00:33:45,220 and it just got bigger and bigger. 531 00:33:45,220 --> 00:33:48,260 - We love you! We love you, Michael! 532 00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:51,660 - TV REPORT: - Michael Jackson was partying in New York. 533 00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:54,700 The occasion - for selling 23 million albums. 534 00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:56,540 - He exploded. 535 00:33:57,940 --> 00:33:59,700 Everybody wanted a piece of him. 536 00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:01,420 Everyone wanted to see him. 537 00:34:01,420 --> 00:34:03,460 CHANTING: - Michael! We want Michael! 538 00:34:03,460 --> 00:34:04,860 - Michael Jackson's Thriller 539 00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:07,780 is now the highest selling solo album 540 00:34:07,780 --> 00:34:10,180 in the history of recorded music. 541 00:34:10,180 --> 00:34:13,940 - The number one artist in the world! 542 00:34:15,180 --> 00:34:16,580 - He is, simply put, 543 00:34:16,580 --> 00:34:19,660 probably the most exciting and intense performer of the decade. 544 00:34:19,660 --> 00:34:22,380 - PEOPLE SCREAM 545 00:34:22,380 --> 00:34:25,780 - You have something within your records that 546 00:34:25,780 --> 00:34:27,860 everybody just loves. 547 00:34:27,860 --> 00:34:29,380 - Boy, I couldn't say. 548 00:34:29,380 --> 00:34:31,220 I just created it. 549 00:34:32,260 --> 00:34:34,900 - Where do you think the gift came from? - God. 550 00:34:40,180 --> 00:34:42,220 - CROWD CHATTERS 551 00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:07,460 Ladies and gentlemen, may I have your attention? 552 00:35:08,780 --> 00:35:11,300 I need your attention right now. 553 00:35:13,060 --> 00:35:15,820 I am saying for the last time, 554 00:35:15,820 --> 00:35:18,860 as chairman of the Walk of Fame, 555 00:35:18,860 --> 00:35:23,220 if you do not back up, this ceremony will be cancelled. 556 00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:26,460 SCREAMING AND CHEERING 557 00:35:26,460 --> 00:35:28,700 Ladies and gentlemen, 558 00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:30,740 Michael Jackson! 559 00:35:30,740 --> 00:35:33,260 We welcome him to the Walk of Fame. 560 00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:35,340 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 561 00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:41,980 - The Thriller album was fantastic. 562 00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:44,060 It was far exceeding anyone's expectations 563 00:35:44,060 --> 00:35:46,780 about how big it was going to be, 564 00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:49,900 and Michael was becoming sort of transcendent as a pop star. 565 00:35:52,940 --> 00:35:56,540 But he was still very idealistic, very devout. 566 00:36:01,380 --> 00:36:04,940 I mean, nobody had been that famous in the Jehovah's Witnesses yet. 567 00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:10,940 It was very much at odds for the church for someone to be famous, 568 00:36:10,940 --> 00:36:13,780 because any kind of notoriety could be considered controversial, 569 00:36:13,780 --> 00:36:15,260 potentially. 570 00:36:15,260 --> 00:36:18,620 Even his deciding to do the Thriller video. 571 00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:22,500 The church was very paranoid about any demon influence 572 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:24,180 and anything with demonology, 573 00:36:24,180 --> 00:36:28,020 and so zombies rising from the dead or anything related to the occult. 574 00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:32,780 Suddenly, the hammer came down from the headquarters of the church. 575 00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:36,260 And so when he realised that this was going to be a problem for him, 576 00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:37,740 he panicked. 577 00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:41,340 He wrote, "Due to my strong personal convictions, I wish to stress 578 00:36:41,340 --> 00:36:44,900 "that this film in no way endorses a belief in the occult." 579 00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:47,620 And he had to put that at the beginning of the video 580 00:36:47,620 --> 00:36:50,980 in order to get the church to go, "OK, you can release it." 581 00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:54,660 It really created some tension. 582 00:36:55,780 --> 00:36:59,220 On the one hand, fame brought him all this opportunity, 583 00:36:59,220 --> 00:37:03,220 and I think he liked the adulation, it was very validating. 584 00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:05,740 But I think he started to feel handicapped by the fact 585 00:37:05,740 --> 00:37:07,940 that he couldn't pursue all his creative stuff, 586 00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:10,420 that the church was constantly tightening the screws and saying, 587 00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:12,260 "No, you can't do this. No, you can't do that." 588 00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:17,340 And later on, he just made a decision. 589 00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:19,700 He disassociated himself, 590 00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:21,820 which basically meant he was leaving the church. 591 00:37:23,820 --> 00:37:26,500 You know, I left the church in 1990. 592 00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:30,020 And when you leave, the church completely cuts you off. 593 00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:32,660 You know, you lose your whole foundation, you lose your family, 594 00:37:32,660 --> 00:37:33,900 all of your friends. 595 00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:37,100 You're really adrift in so many ways. 596 00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:41,500 And when he left, he lost the thing that had grounded him for so long. 597 00:37:48,380 --> 00:37:50,940 - INTERVIEWER: How long have you had this beautiful beast? 598 00:37:50,940 --> 00:37:52,140 - Gosh. 599 00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:55,620 During, um... A little bit before Thriller, I had him. 600 00:37:55,620 --> 00:37:59,220 Probably about, almost a year. Almost a year now. 601 00:37:59,220 --> 00:38:02,180 - And this type of snake is not dangerous? 602 00:38:02,180 --> 00:38:04,620 - Well, I don't think so. Some people might. 603 00:38:04,620 --> 00:38:06,500 - Could it be dangerous? - Yeah, they squeeze. 604 00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:08,660 They can really squeeze. 605 00:38:08,660 --> 00:38:09,700 Erm... 606 00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:14,300 I think he's great. - What other animals do you have? 607 00:38:16,220 --> 00:38:17,540 - After Thriller, 608 00:38:17,540 --> 00:38:21,700 I saw a completely different Michael Jackson. 609 00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:27,340 I was his personal cinematographer 610 00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:31,220 from 1981 to 1987. 611 00:38:33,380 --> 00:38:35,300 And when I first met him, 612 00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:37,340 Michael was really humble. 613 00:38:39,980 --> 00:38:42,100 He was a true cool dude. 614 00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:46,860 But after the Thriller album, 615 00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:50,340 his personality started to get a little bit different, 616 00:38:50,340 --> 00:38:52,860 more, um, eccentric. 617 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:56,620 - PEOPLE TALK OVER EACH OTHER 618 00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:04,540 - Step, step, step. - Watch your step. 619 00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:09,980 - I could see he enjoyed being around kids. 620 00:39:14,220 --> 00:39:15,620 - Hello! 621 00:39:17,020 --> 00:39:19,260 - Whoa! - HIGH PITCHED: - Whoa! 622 00:39:19,260 --> 00:39:22,020 - We're going to do our own interview here. 623 00:39:22,020 --> 00:39:25,140 OK. This is the Michael Jackson interview show. OK? 624 00:39:25,140 --> 00:39:27,180 - So, how old are you, young man? 625 00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:28,780 No, not how old are you. 626 00:39:28,780 --> 00:39:30,300 What show are you on? 627 00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:32,740 - My show is Webster. 628 00:39:32,740 --> 00:39:34,620 - And who are you playing on the show? 629 00:39:34,620 --> 00:39:38,460 - Out of nowhere, Michael's good friend was Emmanuel Lewis. 630 00:39:41,020 --> 00:39:45,140 Emmanuel Lewis was a star of the TV show Webster. 631 00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:50,940 And then one day Michael calls me up and he goes, 632 00:39:50,940 --> 00:39:52,460 "I need you to come over." 633 00:39:54,260 --> 00:39:58,980 So I get there and he has Emmanuel with him. 634 00:39:58,980 --> 00:40:02,380 They're dancing to one of his new songs 635 00:40:02,380 --> 00:40:04,620 that never, ever was released, 636 00:40:04,620 --> 00:40:06,620 and he's holding him like a baby. 637 00:40:15,860 --> 00:40:19,780 And I could see Michael had a connection with children. 638 00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:26,380 - MICHAEL JACKSON: - When a child steps in the room, I'm totally changed. 639 00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:29,100 I feel their energy and I feel their spirit. 640 00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:34,220 When I look in their eyes, 641 00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:36,060 I feel healed. 642 00:40:44,660 --> 00:40:46,540 - What I saw, 643 00:40:46,540 --> 00:40:48,020 Michael liked... 644 00:40:49,340 --> 00:40:54,260 ..kids because of the fact that they weren't domineering, 645 00:40:54,260 --> 00:40:56,580 they weren't asking for something. 646 00:41:00,860 --> 00:41:04,260 You know, because you had too many of these producer bigwigs 647 00:41:04,260 --> 00:41:05,940 coming over. 648 00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:08,740 What I called and what he called "suits". 649 00:41:08,740 --> 00:41:10,900 And when the suits would come over, 650 00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:15,460 it was a different atmosphere because they wanted something. 651 00:41:16,780 --> 00:41:20,180 But then Michael got so big, 652 00:41:20,180 --> 00:41:22,700 now it's just a business. 653 00:41:25,180 --> 00:41:27,740 - REPORTER: - Jackson's image has been pressed into plastic. 654 00:41:27,740 --> 00:41:30,620 In the short six months since they first came on the market, 655 00:41:30,620 --> 00:41:33,580 Michael Jackson toys, dolls and other products 656 00:41:33,580 --> 00:41:35,380 have been selling with a fury. 657 00:41:35,380 --> 00:41:37,940 - Jackson has become a mini conglomerate. 658 00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:40,020 He is setting up five separate companies 659 00:41:40,020 --> 00:41:41,860 to handle his business interests. 660 00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:44,420 Albums, video cassettes, concert tours, 661 00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:46,020 merchandising tie-ins. 662 00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:48,820 This year, Michael Jackson is expected to earn 663 00:41:48,820 --> 00:41:51,060 more than $50 million. 664 00:41:51,060 --> 00:41:53,820 - Michael Jackson made recording business history today 665 00:41:53,820 --> 00:41:56,300 by closing the deal on the Beatles catalogue. 666 00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:58,940 From now on, all those royalties go to Jackson. 667 00:41:59,980 --> 00:42:02,260 - Michael Jackson has a new manager. 668 00:42:02,260 --> 00:42:05,780 Jackson has hired the vice president of promotion for Epic Records, 669 00:42:05,780 --> 00:42:08,820 Frank DiLeo, to manage his booming career. 670 00:42:08,820 --> 00:42:12,140 Formerly, Jackson was managed by his father, Joseph Jackson. 671 00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:19,820 - Mike decided to end the relationship with my father. 672 00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:23,580 And his thinking and his thoughts were, 673 00:42:23,580 --> 00:42:26,820 I need a manager who's much bigger and better 674 00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:30,620 and someone who really knows what they're doing in this big industry. 675 00:42:33,260 --> 00:42:36,820 But I think the part that became difficult 676 00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:41,420 was the people that entered into his life 677 00:42:41,420 --> 00:42:46,980 because this business can be very overwhelming, cut-throat, 678 00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:51,660 and people will say and do anything to get into your circle 679 00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:54,140 and to manage you. 680 00:42:54,140 --> 00:42:56,060 And that part of it... 681 00:42:57,420 --> 00:42:59,020 ..destroyed him. 682 00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:05,940 - Michael Jackson has not a song on his lips, 683 00:43:05,940 --> 00:43:08,020 but a bottle of Pepsi-Cola. 684 00:43:08,020 --> 00:43:11,820 This week, he signed up for $5 million or more 685 00:43:11,820 --> 00:43:14,820 to promote Pepsi in concerts and commercials. 686 00:43:14,820 --> 00:43:16,340 - A lot of people are asking, 687 00:43:16,340 --> 00:43:18,820 why would Michael Jackson do commercials? 688 00:43:18,820 --> 00:43:19,860 Well, the reason is, 689 00:43:19,860 --> 00:43:22,980 is that these commercials are going to be just extraordinary. 690 00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:25,340 They're using state of the art technology, 691 00:43:25,340 --> 00:43:28,700 they're going to be creative masterpieces, no expense spared. 692 00:43:30,220 --> 00:43:33,660 - They asked me to direct them 693 00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:36,380 because I had success 694 00:43:36,380 --> 00:43:38,540 and a relationship with Michael. 695 00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:42,780 We were going to shoot two promotional commercials. 696 00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:45,900 Even though Michael confessed to me 697 00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:47,980 that he never drank Pepsi in his life. 698 00:43:47,980 --> 00:43:50,860 We went down there and started shooting 699 00:43:50,860 --> 00:43:53,660 and the plan was there was an explosion, 700 00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:56,820 Michael would come down and dance. 701 00:43:56,820 --> 00:44:00,540 Pyrotechnics added too much 702 00:44:00,540 --> 00:44:02,460 and all hell broke loose. 703 00:44:03,460 --> 00:44:05,180 - LOUD BANG 704 00:44:11,340 --> 00:44:13,740 SCREAMING 705 00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:19,900 CONFUSED SCREAMING AND SHOUTING 706 00:44:41,620 --> 00:44:44,500 REPORTER: - The scene was wild as hundreds of fans tried to see 707 00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:47,900 Michael Jackson as he was carried into a Los Angeles area hospital 708 00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:49,980 with second and third degree burns on his scalp. 709 00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:56,700 - CROWD SHOUT AND SCREAM 710 00:45:09,780 --> 00:45:12,260 - I'll never forget the image of Michael being taken away 711 00:45:12,260 --> 00:45:13,780 in a stretcher, 712 00:45:13,780 --> 00:45:17,660 but smart enough to take his glove, the famous glove, and wave it. 713 00:45:21,460 --> 00:45:24,420 But it was the beginning of a dark time. 714 00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:29,220 - ECHOING SHOUTS AND SCREAMS 715 00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:49,380 - I remember in the early years, 716 00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:51,060 Michael would just come out and hang out. 717 00:45:51,060 --> 00:45:53,300 It was just, it was casual, it was normal. 718 00:45:56,020 --> 00:45:57,780 But at that point, 719 00:45:57,780 --> 00:46:00,620 Michael started going out a lot less. 720 00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:07,860 Everybody was like worried. 721 00:46:09,180 --> 00:46:10,980 He would call all the time. 722 00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:14,260 He would constantly reflect back 723 00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:16,300 on things from his childhood. 724 00:47:08,620 --> 00:47:13,060 - When I went to the house after the Pepsi burn... 725 00:47:14,220 --> 00:47:17,460 ..with Michael, there were some times where we would talk 726 00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:20,220 and he would come a little close 727 00:47:20,220 --> 00:47:22,780 and then I would say to myself, 728 00:47:22,780 --> 00:47:25,140 "What is on his nose?" 729 00:47:25,140 --> 00:47:26,620 And those were stitches. 730 00:47:26,620 --> 00:47:30,380 Physically or visually, you could see that it had been, 731 00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:32,220 you know, worked on. 732 00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:37,380 I have a shot of Michael when he's leaving the Hayvenhurst house 733 00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:39,860 and that was when I saw the change. 734 00:47:39,860 --> 00:47:44,100 You know, the transition from the Negro look 735 00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:46,860 to look like something different. 736 00:47:52,980 --> 00:47:54,380 - It was heartbreaking. 737 00:47:56,140 --> 00:48:00,060 Michael was trying to erase something off of his face, 738 00:48:00,060 --> 00:48:02,300 and it was all the nastiness 739 00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:04,300 and all the things that Joseph said about him. 740 00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:07,980 But I think that set Michael on a very unhealthy pattern and path 741 00:48:07,980 --> 00:48:10,820 for the rest of his life when it came to, 742 00:48:10,820 --> 00:48:14,740 uh, facial reconstruction and his skin colour. 743 00:48:16,260 --> 00:48:18,820 But I don't think anybody was prepared 744 00:48:18,820 --> 00:48:21,620 for how extreme it would get. 745 00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:24,300 - Michael! 746 00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:26,380 CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK 747 00:48:27,580 --> 00:48:29,980 PHOTOGRAPHERS: - Michael! - Michael! 748 00:48:31,340 --> 00:48:33,340 - Michael! - Michael! 749 00:48:33,340 --> 00:48:35,100 - Michael, Michael! 750 00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:40,220 - CACOPHONY OF CALLS 751 00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:10,540 Not since Thriller five years ago 752 00:49:10,540 --> 00:49:14,100 has the record industry been so focused on a single album. 753 00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:15,860 It's called Bad. 754 00:49:15,860 --> 00:49:19,780 - It's Michael Jackson and Bad right here on Kiss FM. 755 00:49:24,220 --> 00:49:26,740 - REPORTER: - They were queuing all over America, snapping up 756 00:49:26,740 --> 00:49:30,020 the first copies of Michael Jackson's latest offering. 757 00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:33,820 But after five years of comparative seclusion, he's changed his image. 758 00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:36,260 - It's a lot of talk. 759 00:49:36,260 --> 00:49:39,220 A lot of people are talking about it and how foolish he looks. 760 00:49:39,220 --> 00:49:40,900 - The look... 761 00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:43,700 Well, the new look is not too hot, 762 00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:46,740 but the album is great and he's a great entertainer. 763 00:49:49,180 --> 00:49:52,540 - I was a fan of Michael Jackson since I was a kid 764 00:49:52,540 --> 00:49:54,860 from, you know, the Jacksons. 765 00:49:54,860 --> 00:49:57,500 You know, I loved Off the Wall. 766 00:50:00,100 --> 00:50:04,060 I was a talent manager at the firm that managed Michael Jackson. 767 00:50:05,060 --> 00:50:08,780 And it was our job to manage his career and public image. 768 00:50:08,780 --> 00:50:11,660 I remember when I met him, like, up close and personal, 769 00:50:11,660 --> 00:50:15,740 I was just surprised at, like, how white he was. 770 00:50:15,740 --> 00:50:19,740 I mean, and just almost like, almost like translucent. 771 00:50:19,740 --> 00:50:21,740 - That was good. Beautiful. 772 00:50:21,740 --> 00:50:25,380 - You know, we were wondering if he was bleaching his skin 773 00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:26,660 or maybe it was make-up. 774 00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:30,940 I can remember one instance 775 00:50:30,940 --> 00:50:33,020 and we had made this video. 776 00:50:33,020 --> 00:50:35,060 It was like a multimillion dollar video, 777 00:50:35,060 --> 00:50:37,140 we had David Fincher, you know, direct it. 778 00:50:37,140 --> 00:50:39,980 I remember at one point he literally kind of broke down in tears 779 00:50:39,980 --> 00:50:41,980 and he was kind of ranting like, 780 00:50:41,980 --> 00:50:44,300 "I look like a monkey. I look like a monkey." 781 00:50:44,300 --> 00:50:45,980 And I was like, thinking, "What?" 782 00:50:45,980 --> 00:50:47,820 I mean, he looked great in the video, 783 00:50:47,820 --> 00:50:52,020 but in his own mind, he, you know, he hated the way that he looked. 784 00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:55,740 And some people mentioned, I think it's called baking, where they, 785 00:50:55,740 --> 00:50:57,940 you know, could lighten him up throughout the video. 786 00:51:01,140 --> 00:51:04,540 I mean, that word, "I look like a monkey." 787 00:51:04,540 --> 00:51:06,740 First, it was kind of shocking from him. 788 00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:13,220 I'm thinking, here's this huge, amazing artist, 789 00:51:13,220 --> 00:51:16,780 and his own issues with self-image 790 00:51:16,780 --> 00:51:20,260 actually became a form of like self-sabotage with his career. 791 00:51:26,260 --> 00:51:30,780 - I remember a lot of the black community felt 792 00:51:30,780 --> 00:51:33,940 like he had deserted them 793 00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:37,580 and thought that he didn't want to be black. 794 00:51:39,540 --> 00:51:44,060 And it was really difficult because he was in the tabloids every week. 795 00:51:45,980 --> 00:51:47,540 He sort of became a joke. 796 00:51:49,100 --> 00:51:51,220 - First problem is the sex problem. 797 00:51:51,220 --> 00:51:53,980 The problem being, we don't know what sex he is. 798 00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:55,540 - AUDIENCE LAUGHS 799 00:51:58,940 --> 00:52:01,460 - The latest of the Michael Jackson rumours - 800 00:52:01,460 --> 00:52:04,620 are Michael Jackson and his sister LaToya Jackson, 801 00:52:04,620 --> 00:52:06,820 actually the same person? 802 00:52:06,820 --> 00:52:11,140 I'm here with Lars Bundquist of the IOFCIRA - 803 00:52:11,140 --> 00:52:13,980 the Institute of Facial Changes in Recording Artists. 804 00:52:13,980 --> 00:52:16,460 And I understand you had a grant for the last six years 805 00:52:16,460 --> 00:52:18,940 to study the facial changes in Michael Jackson. 806 00:52:18,940 --> 00:52:22,060 - That's correct, Dave. And it's been a full-time job. 807 00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:26,820 - To most of us, he's just Wacko Jacko. 808 00:52:26,820 --> 00:52:29,740 And if some of the press are to be believed 809 00:52:29,740 --> 00:52:31,500 he sleeps in an oxygen tent, 810 00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:34,380 often with a chimp, a snake and an alien. 811 00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:38,260 - When you think of Michael Jackson, you don't first think 812 00:52:38,260 --> 00:52:41,180 what a great artist, what a definitive performer. 813 00:52:41,180 --> 00:52:43,060 You think, what a weird guy. 814 00:52:43,060 --> 00:52:46,260 - Record stores have been reporting disappointing sales 815 00:52:46,260 --> 00:52:47,420 for the new album. 816 00:52:47,420 --> 00:52:50,580 Some have already begun taking down the Bad promotional posters. 817 00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:54,980 - The Bad album had been released in the late '80s, 818 00:52:54,980 --> 00:52:57,300 but it hadn't been as successful as Thriller. 819 00:52:58,460 --> 00:53:02,820 We had to get him back to basics as an artist, as a singer, 820 00:53:02,820 --> 00:53:05,620 and get away from the wacky personas and the trappings 821 00:53:05,620 --> 00:53:07,260 and everything else and stuff. 822 00:53:07,260 --> 00:53:09,220 - CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK 823 00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:20,740 - We had to make him more relatable to the public, 824 00:53:20,740 --> 00:53:23,900 to answer the questions that people had about him, 825 00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:27,340 about his skin, about Bubbles, 826 00:53:27,340 --> 00:53:28,820 about everything. 827 00:53:28,820 --> 00:53:32,620 Because up to that point, Michael hadn't done a major interview. 828 00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:35,220 People hadn't heard him talk, 829 00:53:35,220 --> 00:53:38,180 people didn't know anything about him. 830 00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:43,620 And then Michael's managers had this idea 831 00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:47,860 that he should do an Oprah Winfrey interview. 832 00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:55,700 - OPRAH CHATTERS 833 00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:02,340 - And the whole objective for that interview 834 00:54:02,340 --> 00:54:06,660 was to humanise him to the world. 835 00:54:06,660 --> 00:54:10,420 Oprah was calling every day, like five or six times a day. 836 00:54:10,420 --> 00:54:12,740 Nothing was left to chance. 837 00:54:12,740 --> 00:54:15,980 His whole career, his reputation 838 00:54:15,980 --> 00:54:18,860 were dependent on this interview going well. 839 00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:26,140 - Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Jackson. 840 00:54:27,540 --> 00:54:29,620 Hey. - Hi, Oprah. - Hey, hey. 841 00:54:29,620 --> 00:54:31,940 Well, how nervous are you right now? 842 00:54:33,420 --> 00:54:36,540 - How what? - How nervous are you right now? 843 00:54:36,540 --> 00:54:38,980 - Mm, I'm not nervous at all, actually. 844 00:54:38,980 --> 00:54:40,220 - You really aren't? 845 00:54:40,220 --> 00:54:41,500 - No, I never get nervous. 846 00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:43,060 - You don't? - No. 847 00:54:43,060 --> 00:54:46,940 - Not even for your first interview and it's live around the world? 848 00:54:46,940 --> 00:54:48,780 I thought you'd be a little nervous. 849 00:54:48,780 --> 00:54:51,940 But that's great, because if you're not nervous, I won't be nervous. 850 00:54:51,940 --> 00:54:55,020 I just wanted to let the world know that... 851 00:54:55,020 --> 00:54:58,980 - We were all watching it on TV, and it was pretty eye-opening. 852 00:54:58,980 --> 00:55:02,380 I think it really was the first time that I can recall 853 00:55:02,380 --> 00:55:05,180 where he ever sat down for a length of time, 854 00:55:05,180 --> 00:55:08,500 answered the questions that we all wanted to know. 855 00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:10,660 and was really pretty candid. 856 00:55:10,660 --> 00:55:13,700 I was actually surprised how candid he was. 857 00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:18,340 - The main thing in that Oprah interview that was talked about 858 00:55:18,340 --> 00:55:21,940 was his answer to his skin colour changing. 859 00:55:21,940 --> 00:55:25,020 - The colour of your skin is obviously different 860 00:55:25,020 --> 00:55:26,980 than it was when you were younger. 861 00:55:26,980 --> 00:55:30,020 And so, I think, um, 862 00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:33,700 it has caused a great deal of speculation and controversy 863 00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:36,380 as to what you have done or are doing. 864 00:55:36,380 --> 00:55:38,420 Are you bleaching your skin? 865 00:55:38,420 --> 00:55:41,700 And is your skin lighter because you don't like being black? 866 00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:43,580 - OK, number one, this is just the situation - 867 00:55:43,580 --> 00:55:48,220 I have a skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of the skin. 868 00:55:48,220 --> 00:55:50,860 It's something that I cannot help. OK? 869 00:55:50,860 --> 00:55:54,020 But when people make up stories that I don't want to be who I am, 870 00:55:54,020 --> 00:55:55,780 it hurts me. 871 00:55:55,780 --> 00:55:57,660 - So it is... 872 00:55:58,820 --> 00:56:00,580 - It's a problem for me, OK? 873 00:56:00,580 --> 00:56:02,020 I can't control it. 874 00:56:02,020 --> 00:56:03,460 I'm a black American. 875 00:56:03,460 --> 00:56:05,460 I'm proud to be a black American. 876 00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:06,780 - Yes! 877 00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:11,900 - The black community was really relieved to hear that. 878 00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:14,140 You know, I remember people saying, 879 00:56:14,140 --> 00:56:16,980 "Oh, well, that's why it was, of course. 880 00:56:16,980 --> 00:56:20,100 "Of course, Michael wouldn't desert us. He has a disease." 881 00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:23,060 - It makes me feel some of the pain that he's feeling, 882 00:56:23,060 --> 00:56:26,780 because I can look in his eyes and I can see the hurt in his eyes. 883 00:56:26,780 --> 00:56:30,020 You know, he looks like he's so lonely and so hurt, you know? 884 00:56:30,020 --> 00:56:32,500 And it makes me want to just reach out to him. 885 00:56:34,540 --> 00:56:36,420 - And it worked. 886 00:56:36,420 --> 00:56:40,380 And it really changed a lot of people's perceptions of him. 887 00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:45,940 It felt like Michael was back on top. 888 00:57:01,980 --> 00:57:05,220 - My name is Rosibel Smith. 889 00:57:05,220 --> 00:57:07,820 In 1993, 890 00:57:07,820 --> 00:57:10,260 I was working the Sexually Exploited Child Unit. 891 00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:16,020 A case had come in involving a young boy who was 13 years of age. 892 00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:19,580 And that the perpetrator was Michael Jackson. 893 00:57:27,540 --> 00:57:30,980 We knew that it was going to be a huge case.