1 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,060 This is my...my inspiration. 2 00:00:40,940 --> 00:00:42,420 Real quick. 3 00:01:23,220 --> 00:01:26,500 - The number one artist in the world! 4 00:01:36,140 --> 00:01:39,620 - That level of megastardom is not healthy. 5 00:01:39,620 --> 00:01:41,420 People are not gods. 6 00:01:49,820 --> 00:01:52,500 - Tonight, Jackson is wanted by police 7 00:01:52,500 --> 00:01:56,100 of multiple felony counts of child molestation. 8 00:01:58,380 --> 00:02:01,580 - The Jackson machine just keeps right on rolling. 9 00:02:27,740 --> 00:02:31,060 Sony Corporation believes it has a profitable partner 10 00:02:31,060 --> 00:02:32,340 in Michael Jackson. 11 00:02:32,340 --> 00:02:35,460 Together, they could make $1 billion. 12 00:02:35,460 --> 00:02:39,740 As NBC's Mike Jensen reports tonight, teach your kids to sing. 13 00:02:49,340 --> 00:02:52,660 - It's the kind of contract that takes your breath away. 14 00:02:52,660 --> 00:02:56,980 A projected $1 billion for six Michael Jackson albums 15 00:02:56,980 --> 00:03:00,460 plus feature films, videos and video games. 16 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:03,540 - Michael, in the 1980s, 17 00:03:03,540 --> 00:03:06,860 you had the largest selling album in history with Thriller. 18 00:03:06,860 --> 00:03:09,100 Now, with Dangerous, you've given us 19 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:11,700 the fastest selling album of your career. 20 00:03:11,700 --> 00:03:16,140 We're prouder than ever to have you part of the Sony Music family. 21 00:03:16,140 --> 00:03:19,660 The thrilling fact is that the best is definitely yet to come. 22 00:03:19,660 --> 00:03:21,420 - FANS SCREAM 23 00:03:24,140 --> 00:03:28,660 - When I joined Sony, Michael Jackson was the biggest star in the world. 24 00:03:28,660 --> 00:03:30,420 He was the guy. 25 00:03:30,420 --> 00:03:32,660 I don't know any other way to describe it. 26 00:03:32,660 --> 00:03:34,540 I mean, we all lived through it. 27 00:03:34,540 --> 00:03:37,380 - TV REPORT: - The Michael Jackson world tour is on the road again. 28 00:03:40,460 --> 00:03:42,340 - It was incredibly exciting. 29 00:03:43,460 --> 00:03:46,580 He was selling out stadiums, making record money. 30 00:03:46,580 --> 00:03:49,140 He was the franchise. I mean, let's be honest. 31 00:03:49,140 --> 00:03:52,180 - FANS SHOUT 32 00:03:52,180 --> 00:03:54,740 - We are all in the business of succeeding. 33 00:03:54,740 --> 00:03:58,220 And when you're working in a company like Sony Music, 34 00:03:58,220 --> 00:04:02,180 you want Michael Jackson to succeed. 35 00:04:03,380 --> 00:04:05,900 - Michael! - Michael! 36 00:04:08,460 --> 00:04:10,860 - My name is Rosibel Smith, 37 00:04:10,860 --> 00:04:15,260 and for 31 years I was employed by the Los Angeles Police Department. 38 00:04:16,940 --> 00:04:18,740 In 1993, 39 00:04:18,740 --> 00:04:21,220 while working juvenile division at the LAPD, 40 00:04:21,220 --> 00:04:23,500 I was working the Sexually Exploited Child Unit. 41 00:04:23,500 --> 00:04:25,140 I was advised by my supervisor, 42 00:04:25,140 --> 00:04:27,780 who was the officer in charge of the unit, 43 00:04:27,780 --> 00:04:31,860 that a case had come in involving a young boy, 44 00:04:31,860 --> 00:04:34,020 who was 13 years of age, 45 00:04:34,020 --> 00:04:37,540 and that the perpetrator was Michael Jackson. 46 00:04:37,540 --> 00:04:41,020 I was a little, um, in disbelief 47 00:04:41,020 --> 00:04:43,740 that it was Michael Jackson doing this, 48 00:04:43,740 --> 00:04:46,500 because I grew up watching Michael Jackson, 49 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:49,620 I knew the Jackson 5 cartoons when I was a kid, 50 00:04:49,620 --> 00:04:51,900 and I really enjoyed his music. 51 00:04:51,900 --> 00:04:54,340 CROWD SHOUTS AND SCREAMS 52 00:04:56,420 --> 00:04:58,140 But we had a job to do, 53 00:04:58,140 --> 00:05:00,980 and that job was to go out and just handle it 54 00:05:00,980 --> 00:05:03,060 just like any other case at that time. 55 00:05:05,660 --> 00:05:10,340 - Our role was to find out if Mr Jackson 56 00:05:10,340 --> 00:05:13,060 had committed the crime of 57 00:05:13,060 --> 00:05:16,060 sexual molestation against children. 58 00:05:16,060 --> 00:05:18,220 And on the same token, 59 00:05:18,220 --> 00:05:23,300 we have to find out if the children, 60 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:25,020 they were telling the truth. 61 00:05:28,140 --> 00:05:31,060 - We had to interview the victim. 62 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:39,140 The victim had actually met Michael Jackson at a restaurant. 63 00:05:39,140 --> 00:05:40,460 He was very, very little. 64 00:05:42,580 --> 00:05:44,740 Then years later, 65 00:05:44,740 --> 00:05:48,500 that relationship grew and they began to visit each other. 66 00:05:51,220 --> 00:05:56,420 The victim was alleging that Michael would oftentimes 67 00:05:56,420 --> 00:05:59,220 rub his body against his body. 68 00:05:59,220 --> 00:06:04,220 He alleged that Michael Jackson fondled him and masturbated him. 69 00:06:04,220 --> 00:06:05,580 Um... 70 00:06:05,580 --> 00:06:10,300 He alleged that Michael liked to have his nipples 71 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:12,020 rubbed, squeezed. 72 00:06:13,340 --> 00:06:14,780 Kissing. 73 00:06:14,780 --> 00:06:17,780 Then they had graduated to oral copulation, 74 00:06:17,780 --> 00:06:19,140 they bathed together 75 00:06:19,140 --> 00:06:22,100 and to the point where eventually 76 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:24,860 Michael Jackson consumed his semen. 77 00:06:33,220 --> 00:06:36,380 - We had heard on the grapevine that there were these 78 00:06:36,380 --> 00:06:38,260 allegations circulating. 79 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:42,940 And it was a shock to everybody. 80 00:06:42,940 --> 00:06:45,460 Yeah, we knew he was hanging with kids, 81 00:06:45,460 --> 00:06:47,780 but I saw him hang with the kids 82 00:06:47,780 --> 00:06:49,700 and I saw that it was completely innocent. 83 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:51,460 - CHILD SHOUTS, MICHAEL LAUGHS 84 00:06:51,460 --> 00:06:53,860 - I saw he was playing games with them. 85 00:06:53,860 --> 00:06:56,500 I saw the kids wanting to hang with him. 86 00:06:56,500 --> 00:06:58,340 - Quicksand up ahead! 87 00:07:00,900 --> 00:07:03,660 - I really hoped the allegations weren't true. 88 00:07:05,620 --> 00:07:09,140 The feeling was trying to contain it. 89 00:07:09,140 --> 00:07:11,700 Obviously, we were thinking of, you know, 90 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:13,860 the immediate impact on the tour 91 00:07:13,860 --> 00:07:16,740 because you got to keep the business going, the tour going, 92 00:07:16,740 --> 00:07:19,300 the album sales, everything and the impact of that. 93 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:21,620 So it was pretty... It was pretty tense. 94 00:07:21,620 --> 00:07:25,260 We went into crisis mode, both with our team and the PR team. 95 00:07:27,900 --> 00:07:30,580 But ultimately, the story was so huge 96 00:07:30,580 --> 00:07:33,020 it was going to get out no matter what we did. 97 00:07:33,020 --> 00:07:34,660 There was no stopping it. 98 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:42,820 - In Southern California, the press, police, lawyers 99 00:07:42,820 --> 00:07:46,220 and private investigators are in orbit tonight over an investigation 100 00:07:46,220 --> 00:07:50,100 of child abuse allegations involving superstar Michael Jackson. 101 00:07:50,100 --> 00:07:52,940 - There's still no comment from Michael Jackson this morning 102 00:07:52,940 --> 00:07:55,420 and Los Angeles Police aren't saying much. 103 00:07:55,420 --> 00:07:58,660 But they have confirmed reports of a criminal investigation 104 00:07:58,660 --> 00:07:59,980 of the pop superstar. 105 00:07:59,980 --> 00:08:02,180 - All hell broke loose. 106 00:08:02,180 --> 00:08:04,620 - Television station KNBC in Los Angeles 107 00:08:04,620 --> 00:08:07,740 first broke the story last night, saying that a mother had alleged 108 00:08:07,740 --> 00:08:09,780 Jackson abused her child. 109 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:13,900 - August 17th, the Los Angeles Police Department initiated 110 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:17,940 a criminal investigation of entertainer Michael Jackson. 111 00:08:17,940 --> 00:08:21,220 - Every news channel, every hour, 112 00:08:21,220 --> 00:08:23,580 the top story was Michael Jackson. 113 00:08:23,580 --> 00:08:26,140 - Confidential documents obtained by NBC News 114 00:08:26,140 --> 00:08:30,220 quoted the boy's reference to acts of oral sex and masturbation. 115 00:08:30,220 --> 00:08:32,620 - The allegations now surfacing are ugly enough 116 00:08:32,620 --> 00:08:34,660 to shatter any icon's image. 117 00:08:34,660 --> 00:08:37,980 Kids everywhere are talking about the scandalous accusations, 118 00:08:37,980 --> 00:08:39,260 hoping they're not true. 119 00:08:41,220 --> 00:08:44,260 - Has Michael Jackson ever molested a child? 120 00:08:44,260 --> 00:08:46,380 Ever done anything improper with a child? 121 00:08:46,380 --> 00:08:47,940 - No, never. No, never. 122 00:08:47,940 --> 00:08:49,780 - That's crazy. - Never. 123 00:08:49,780 --> 00:08:51,660 - My son is not guilty. 124 00:08:51,660 --> 00:08:52,980 He'd need a trial. 125 00:08:52,980 --> 00:08:55,340 These people aren't waiting. They're trying to... 126 00:08:55,340 --> 00:08:57,780 Trying to... They're trying him. 127 00:08:57,780 --> 00:09:00,420 That's right. And I'm tired of it. 128 00:09:09,740 --> 00:09:12,500 - CROWD CHANTS: Open the window! Open the window! 129 00:09:23,020 --> 00:09:25,820 - Everything was suddenly bad. 130 00:09:28,820 --> 00:09:31,100 Everything was, um... 131 00:09:32,260 --> 00:09:33,380 ..emotional. 132 00:09:34,660 --> 00:09:37,900 Talking to Michael was different because he was different. 133 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:41,820 Suddenly, he was no longer the happy Michael that I used to talk to. 134 00:09:41,820 --> 00:09:44,020 He sounded depressed. 135 00:09:44,020 --> 00:09:47,860 I felt like it was over, like there was no way he could come back 136 00:09:47,860 --> 00:09:50,620 from these terrible things being said. 137 00:10:18,740 --> 00:10:22,380 - Eventually he came back to America. 138 00:10:25,540 --> 00:10:28,220 We had the information from the victim about 139 00:10:28,220 --> 00:10:31,500 Michael's body, 140 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:35,500 and specifically the markings on his body. 141 00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:39,780 So the only way that a child would see that 142 00:10:39,780 --> 00:10:42,540 is if Michael was nude. 143 00:10:42,540 --> 00:10:45,780 Then our unit prepared a search warrant to search 144 00:10:45,780 --> 00:10:48,180 or to view Michael's body, 145 00:10:48,180 --> 00:10:50,580 and this included the genitals. 146 00:10:50,580 --> 00:10:55,380 - We explained to him, we have a search warrant signed by the judge 147 00:10:55,380 --> 00:10:59,180 to take pictures of your private parts. 148 00:10:59,180 --> 00:11:02,420 He said, "You assholes". 149 00:11:02,420 --> 00:11:05,340 The outcome 150 00:11:05,340 --> 00:11:09,060 was that evidence that was provided 151 00:11:09,060 --> 00:11:11,340 by Jordan Chandler... 152 00:11:12,620 --> 00:11:13,980 ..it was confirmed. 153 00:11:17,020 --> 00:11:18,380 - INTERCOM: - Can I help you? 154 00:11:18,380 --> 00:11:21,740 - Yeah, we'd like to talk to Michael Jackson. Has he come back? 155 00:11:22,980 --> 00:11:25,260 - I have no comment, sir. - No comment, huh? 156 00:11:25,260 --> 00:11:27,500 - I don't necessarily think he's guilty, 157 00:11:27,500 --> 00:11:29,940 but I don't necessarily think he's innocent either, 158 00:11:29,940 --> 00:11:32,260 because I don't know. 159 00:11:32,260 --> 00:11:33,820 - Well, I don't know if he's guilty or not, 160 00:11:33,820 --> 00:11:35,980 but I think that he needs to come back and face the charges. 161 00:11:35,980 --> 00:11:37,700 He's looking pretty guilty right now. 162 00:11:39,060 --> 00:11:40,700 - PHOTOGRAPHERS: - Michael! - Michael! 163 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:45,780 - TV PRESENTER: There is real fear tonight that the catastrophic 164 00:11:45,780 --> 00:11:50,180 publicity will result in the destruction of a $1 billion empire 165 00:11:50,180 --> 00:11:52,300 and the ruin of a man. 166 00:11:56,980 --> 00:11:58,300 - Sony stock has fallen 167 00:11:58,300 --> 00:12:01,940 because investors are very much concerned that the huge investment 168 00:12:01,940 --> 00:12:05,260 that they have in Michael Jackson is, in fact, not going to pay off. 169 00:12:07,580 --> 00:12:09,940 - When the allegations surfaced... 170 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:15,060 ..I read them, watched them on TV, 171 00:12:15,060 --> 00:12:16,780 like everyone else did... 172 00:12:19,060 --> 00:12:22,500 ..and I felt that they were extremely unfair. 173 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:26,140 Michael Jackson was unequivocally 174 00:12:26,140 --> 00:12:28,940 the biggest artist in the company. 175 00:12:30,700 --> 00:12:33,100 And if he's not succeeding... 176 00:12:35,260 --> 00:12:37,580 ..guess what? Jobs get lost. 177 00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:41,460 - Is Michael Jackson going to make any statement? 178 00:12:41,460 --> 00:12:44,060 He's got a whole cadre of international cameras there 179 00:12:44,060 --> 00:12:45,260 every night. 180 00:12:51,460 --> 00:12:54,020 - Up to that point, Michael had been laying low. 181 00:12:55,020 --> 00:12:57,780 But once the allegations are out there, 182 00:12:57,780 --> 00:13:00,020 you can't take them back again. 183 00:13:01,700 --> 00:13:04,660 And so we needed to get him in front of the public 184 00:13:04,660 --> 00:13:07,220 to unequivocally deny these allegations. 185 00:13:09,620 --> 00:13:12,180 - Michael Jackson came out of seclusion today 186 00:13:12,180 --> 00:13:13,540 without leaving home. 187 00:13:13,540 --> 00:13:17,620 The pop star angrily rejected accusations he molested a young boy 188 00:13:17,620 --> 00:13:19,620 and lashed out at police and the media. 189 00:13:19,620 --> 00:13:23,900 - There have been many disgusting statements 190 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:26,420 made recently concerning allegations 191 00:13:26,420 --> 00:13:28,420 of improper conduct on my part. 192 00:13:28,420 --> 00:13:31,460 These statements about me are totally false. 193 00:13:31,460 --> 00:13:34,300 At every opportunity, the media has dissected 194 00:13:34,300 --> 00:13:38,580 and manipulated these allegations to reach their own conclusions. 195 00:13:38,580 --> 00:13:41,500 I ask all of you to wait and hear the truth 196 00:13:41,500 --> 00:13:43,460 before you label or condemn me. 197 00:13:43,460 --> 00:13:46,740 Don't treat me like a criminal because I am innocent. 198 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:50,980 - Jackson's defiant declaration of innocence 199 00:13:50,980 --> 00:13:53,420 comes as the latest counterpoint in a case 200 00:13:53,420 --> 00:13:56,100 that's saturated with rumour, innuendo 201 00:13:56,100 --> 00:13:59,300 and almost daily revelations about the singer. 202 00:13:59,300 --> 00:14:02,340 Separating fact from fiction can be difficult. 203 00:14:16,300 --> 00:14:18,980 - For years I have been working for Michael, 204 00:14:18,980 --> 00:14:21,860 who unfortunately has been the victim of this and other types 205 00:14:21,860 --> 00:14:23,860 of extortion attempts. 206 00:14:23,860 --> 00:14:27,860 The demand for $20 million was made and presented. 207 00:14:27,860 --> 00:14:30,620 It was flatly and consistently refused. 208 00:14:30,620 --> 00:14:34,340 Many people try to extort Michael because of who he is 209 00:14:34,340 --> 00:14:35,980 and, you know, the amount of money he has. 210 00:14:35,980 --> 00:14:38,100 And these people wanted $20 million. 211 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:40,460 - As far as the victim is concerned, 212 00:14:40,460 --> 00:14:46,300 I did not get anything as far as any, like, money motivation. 213 00:14:46,300 --> 00:14:49,540 However, the parents were a different story. 214 00:14:49,540 --> 00:14:52,220 - The Hollywood Reporter, an entertainment trade paper, 215 00:14:52,220 --> 00:14:55,740 said today that the boy's father had negotiated with Jackson 216 00:14:55,740 --> 00:14:57,780 for a $20 million movie deal. 217 00:14:57,780 --> 00:15:00,660 The father is a prominent Beverly Hills dentist 218 00:15:00,660 --> 00:15:02,500 and part-time screenwriter. 219 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:05,860 - CBS News has obtained a taped phone conversation. 220 00:15:05,860 --> 00:15:09,060 The voice is reportedly the father of the 13-year-old boy. 221 00:15:13,460 --> 00:15:17,660 - The father did in fact ask for money 222 00:15:17,660 --> 00:15:19,860 to keep the situation quiet. 223 00:15:19,860 --> 00:15:21,300 So it did... 224 00:15:22,500 --> 00:15:24,140 ..hurt the case a little bit. 225 00:15:24,140 --> 00:15:27,860 - I think it's pathetic that somebody would go after someone like 226 00:15:27,860 --> 00:15:31,100 Michael Jackson with such vigour, and it's obvious what they want. 227 00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:33,740 And it seems obvious to me that he is innocent. 228 00:15:33,740 --> 00:15:36,340 - I know that there's a lot of people in this business that try 229 00:15:36,340 --> 00:15:39,260 and take advantage of people and, you know, 230 00:15:39,260 --> 00:15:40,860 I'm sure that it will all work out. 231 00:15:40,860 --> 00:15:42,660 And I'm sure that he's innocent, you know? 232 00:15:42,660 --> 00:15:44,980 But only God knows the truth, you know? 233 00:15:44,980 --> 00:15:47,020 - CROWD SCREAMS AND CHEERS 234 00:15:48,940 --> 00:15:52,220 - More and more, people started to question the allegations. 235 00:15:54,460 --> 00:15:58,220 So the management team started capitalising on that momentum. 236 00:16:00,180 --> 00:16:03,380 The main strategy was to, um, 237 00:16:03,380 --> 00:16:06,100 endear Michael 238 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:08,180 to the black community 239 00:16:08,180 --> 00:16:11,180 and to get the black community back on Michael's side. 240 00:16:11,180 --> 00:16:14,820 Because once the black community's behind you, you got it 241 00:16:14,820 --> 00:16:17,780 because, you know, we're a big group 242 00:16:17,780 --> 00:16:21,860 and race relations at that time, 243 00:16:21,860 --> 00:16:23,620 it was a hotbed. 244 00:16:23,620 --> 00:16:25,780 - SIRENS WAIL 245 00:16:28,220 --> 00:16:31,260 NEWS PRESENTER: Parts of Los Angeles erupted in unrest 246 00:16:31,260 --> 00:16:35,460 after a jury acquitted four white Los Angeles police officers 247 00:16:35,460 --> 00:16:39,300 over the videotaped beating of Rodney King, a black motorist. 248 00:16:42,340 --> 00:16:45,620 SHOUTING, SIRENS WAIL 249 00:16:50,420 --> 00:16:53,980 - What happened with Rodney King, it doesn't make no sense to me. 250 00:16:53,980 --> 00:16:56,500 They treating black people like we're dogs, you know? 251 00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:58,060 Like, we can't get nowhere. 252 00:16:58,060 --> 00:17:01,540 - We have no rights that the white man respect. 253 00:17:01,540 --> 00:17:03,940 - TV COMMENTARY: Race is tearing America apart. 254 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:08,860 - Now, more than ever, minority Americans believe 255 00:17:08,860 --> 00:17:10,700 there are two kinds of justice - 256 00:17:10,700 --> 00:17:14,100 the white kind and the kind they get. 257 00:17:17,340 --> 00:17:21,860 - Someone was friends with this African-American attorney 258 00:17:21,860 --> 00:17:23,300 named Johnnie Cochran. 259 00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:27,020 And so he suggested that Johnnie would be the best person 260 00:17:27,020 --> 00:17:29,580 for Michael's case, 261 00:17:29,580 --> 00:17:34,540 not only because he's black, but also because he was brilliant. 262 00:17:34,540 --> 00:17:37,060 - Mr Cochran, let me start with you. Why do you think it was important 263 00:17:37,060 --> 00:17:39,060 for Michael Jackson to speak out now? 264 00:17:39,060 --> 00:17:42,740 - Well, I think, Katie, that after months of being barraged 265 00:17:42,740 --> 00:17:45,820 with negative attacks, it was time. 266 00:17:45,820 --> 00:17:50,860 - Everyone who was on Michael's team knew that having a black face 267 00:17:50,860 --> 00:17:54,780 as the front man for the defence would, um... 268 00:17:56,100 --> 00:18:00,300 ..bring the black community to Michael's defence as well. 269 00:18:00,300 --> 00:18:02,380 - APPLAUSE 270 00:18:02,380 --> 00:18:06,060 - The king of pop, rock and soul - Mr Michael Jackson. 271 00:18:06,060 --> 00:18:08,860 - APPLAUSE 272 00:18:08,860 --> 00:18:11,860 - Michael's first public appearance after his statement 273 00:18:11,860 --> 00:18:16,380 about the allegations was at the NAACP Image Awards, 274 00:18:16,380 --> 00:18:18,420 and that's the National Association 275 00:18:18,420 --> 00:18:20,980 for the Advancement of Colored People. 276 00:18:20,980 --> 00:18:24,140 - APPLAUSE 277 00:18:25,300 --> 00:18:29,860 - I was in the audience when Michael walked out on that stage. 278 00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:32,340 The house went crazy. 279 00:18:34,300 --> 00:18:36,380 Everyone was in support of Michael. 280 00:18:36,380 --> 00:18:39,060 No-one wanted to believe these allegations. 281 00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:45,460 - For decades, the NAACP had stood at the forefront 282 00:18:45,460 --> 00:18:48,660 of the struggle for equal justice under the law 283 00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:50,540 for all people in our land. 284 00:18:50,540 --> 00:18:55,260 - And his speech was based on being a proud black man 285 00:18:55,260 --> 00:18:58,620 and how, you know, we have to stick together 286 00:18:58,620 --> 00:19:02,180 against racial inequality and injustice. 287 00:19:03,540 --> 00:19:06,380 - Everyone is presumed to be innocent and totally innocent 288 00:19:06,380 --> 00:19:08,660 until they are charged with a crime 289 00:19:08,660 --> 00:19:11,380 and then convicted by a jury of their peers. 290 00:19:11,380 --> 00:19:13,420 - RAPTUROUS APPLAUSE 291 00:19:22,220 --> 00:19:24,260 - It was such a powerful speech. 292 00:19:31,860 --> 00:19:36,060 With all of the stuff that was happening to the black community... 293 00:19:38,740 --> 00:19:42,780 ..it felt like Michael's innocence was important 294 00:19:42,780 --> 00:19:45,060 and it was what we needed. 295 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:54,740 Everybody wanted him to be back on top. 296 00:20:06,060 --> 00:20:08,860 - The family of a teenage boy is dropping its charge 297 00:20:08,860 --> 00:20:11,460 that Michael Jackson molested the boy. 298 00:20:11,460 --> 00:20:14,020 Larry Carroll tells us the civil suit is now over. 299 00:20:20,260 --> 00:20:25,140 - We wish to jointly announce a mutual resolution of this lawsuit. 300 00:20:25,140 --> 00:20:28,340 This boy wanted to get on with his life. 301 00:20:30,060 --> 00:20:33,300 - When that case was settled, 302 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:39,300 and I believe that the pay-out for that settlement was 20 million, 303 00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:41,780 or maybe a little more over $20 million, 304 00:20:41,780 --> 00:20:44,580 the family accepted the settlement. 305 00:20:44,580 --> 00:20:49,860 - The resolution of this case is in no way an admission of guilt 306 00:20:49,860 --> 00:20:51,580 by Michael Jackson. 307 00:20:51,580 --> 00:20:54,740 - Being a megastar like he was, 308 00:20:54,740 --> 00:20:59,980 he had the advantage with money, with attorneys, 309 00:20:59,980 --> 00:21:03,380 with really coming out and doing pretty much whatever he wanted 310 00:21:03,380 --> 00:21:05,100 in order to defend himself. 311 00:21:06,540 --> 00:21:08,820 So that was pretty much the end of our case. 312 00:21:10,620 --> 00:21:14,060 - I felt bad because Rosie and I, 313 00:21:14,060 --> 00:21:17,020 we were certain that we had a good case, 314 00:21:17,020 --> 00:21:20,900 but when the victim doesn't want to testify... 315 00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:25,420 ..there is a saying that says "no victim, no crime." 316 00:21:27,260 --> 00:21:30,020 So, nothing that we could do. 317 00:21:36,540 --> 00:21:40,500 - Read all about it! Hollywood sex scandals! 318 00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:43,140 Heidi's little black book. 319 00:21:43,140 --> 00:21:46,180 The Hollywood Hooker and Heidi-gate. 320 00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:50,380 Loni Anderson says, "Burt's a dud in bed." 321 00:21:50,380 --> 00:21:52,540 Uh-oh! 322 00:21:52,540 --> 00:21:55,260 - In this billion dollar business, there's only one story 323 00:21:55,260 --> 00:21:59,180 that's guaranteed - a big name in trouble. 324 00:21:59,180 --> 00:22:00,900 That's the best news of all. 325 00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:04,860 - But of course, the one that's grabbing the headlines right now 326 00:22:04,860 --> 00:22:08,180 are the allegations about Michael Jackson, 327 00:22:08,180 --> 00:22:10,580 the biggest superstar in the world. 328 00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:13,620 - Michael Jackson is our window into the new news business 329 00:22:13,620 --> 00:22:17,020 and the magazine shows, talk shows, news chats 330 00:22:17,020 --> 00:22:19,140 that feed off tabloid truth. 331 00:22:19,140 --> 00:22:20,780 - Michael Jackson, 332 00:22:20,780 --> 00:22:22,260 violator or victim? 333 00:22:23,660 --> 00:22:25,780 - What do you think about Michael? - Well... 334 00:22:26,940 --> 00:22:29,580 No, I think it's true. - He settled for all that money. 335 00:22:29,580 --> 00:22:31,420 - Yeah. - He settled for all that amount of money. 336 00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:34,060 I think something's up when he settles for over $10 million 337 00:22:34,060 --> 00:22:35,500 to shut someone up. 338 00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:37,940 - I don't know, it's a shame, because I think Michael has been dragged 339 00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:41,100 through the mud a lot. You know, I don't know if he's a victim 340 00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:44,860 or if he did it or not, but like he's lost that wholesome image 341 00:22:44,860 --> 00:22:46,100 forever, you know? 342 00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:54,100 - The allegations really changed how the public, I think, thought of him. 343 00:22:55,460 --> 00:22:59,340 And Michael had to kind of rehabilitate that image. 344 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:08,860 People had been obsessed with Michael's sexuality his whole life. 345 00:23:11,020 --> 00:23:15,740 And his managers thought it would be cool if the press found out 346 00:23:15,740 --> 00:23:17,340 that Michael had a girlfriend. 347 00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:30,500 Michael and Lisa started dating 348 00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:33,100 soon after the allegations had been settled. 349 00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:41,380 - Michael Joseph Jackson. - Lisa Marie Presley. 350 00:23:42,420 --> 00:23:45,380 - He knew that marrying Elvis Presley's daughter 351 00:23:45,380 --> 00:23:47,780 would be headlines everywhere. 352 00:23:47,780 --> 00:23:49,820 Everyone would be talking about that, 353 00:23:49,820 --> 00:23:54,060 and they'd no longer talk about this horrible time in his life. 354 00:23:54,060 --> 00:23:57,660 - With this ring I do wed. 355 00:23:57,660 --> 00:23:59,180 - You've heard the talk for weeks. 356 00:23:59,180 --> 00:24:01,740 It's surprising and it's apparently true. 357 00:24:01,740 --> 00:24:03,860 - The daughter of Elvis Presley confirms today 358 00:24:03,860 --> 00:24:05,980 she is now married to Michael Jackson. 359 00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:08,940 Let's go to Vince Dementri in New York. Vince. 360 00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:12,900 - John, hopefully you can see behind me the throngs of stargazers 361 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:15,980 right behind me. We are just outside of the world-famous 362 00:24:15,980 --> 00:24:19,220 Trump Tower, where Donald Trump tells us, yes, indeed, 363 00:24:19,220 --> 00:24:21,660 that Lisa Marie Presley and her new beau, 364 00:24:21,660 --> 00:24:24,340 Michael Jackson, are holed up here on the top floor. 365 00:24:24,340 --> 00:24:26,380 - Well, I'm very, very happy for them. 366 00:24:26,380 --> 00:24:28,140 I think it's great. 367 00:24:28,140 --> 00:24:29,580 They're very happy 368 00:24:29,580 --> 00:24:31,900 and I think everybody's happy. 369 00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:33,220 They're great people. 370 00:24:37,220 --> 00:24:40,140 - I first met Michael in 1988. 371 00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:44,860 Michael was on tour in Germany at that time. 372 00:24:44,860 --> 00:24:48,260 And so they called me and said Michael is a big fan of mine 373 00:24:48,260 --> 00:24:50,180 and he would love to meet me. 374 00:24:50,180 --> 00:24:52,380 And we hit it off. 375 00:24:53,420 --> 00:24:55,340 And he got to know the whole family. 376 00:24:57,300 --> 00:25:00,780 I also knew Lisa Marie Presley 377 00:25:00,780 --> 00:25:03,180 because she spent lots of time in Los Angeles. 378 00:25:04,180 --> 00:25:06,700 So I knew them separately. 379 00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:09,820 And then later Lisa came to me one day and said, 380 00:25:09,820 --> 00:25:12,140 "Look, Michael is hitting on me 381 00:25:12,140 --> 00:25:14,260 "and he actually wants to marry me. 382 00:25:14,260 --> 00:25:16,140 "What do you think? Should I do that?" 383 00:25:16,140 --> 00:25:17,940 So I said, "Go for it." 384 00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:20,460 For him, it was also he liked Lisa 385 00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:23,660 because she was the daughter of The King. 386 00:25:23,660 --> 00:25:26,300 So he was also a king - King of Pop, yeah? 387 00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:28,540 - CHEERING 388 00:25:34,860 --> 00:25:36,620 - This is a big deal. 389 00:25:36,620 --> 00:25:40,660 We had never seen him get romantic with a woman like this. 390 00:25:40,660 --> 00:25:42,140 Ever. 391 00:25:42,140 --> 00:25:43,860 - I'm very happy to be here. 392 00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:48,980 And just think, nobody thought this would last. 393 00:25:48,980 --> 00:25:50,740 LAUGHTER, APPLAUSE 394 00:25:52,820 --> 00:25:55,260 EXUBERANT CHEERING 395 00:25:58,020 --> 00:26:01,060 - It did work in the way that Michael wanted it to work, 396 00:26:01,060 --> 00:26:03,340 in that everyone was talking about it. 397 00:26:05,140 --> 00:26:08,780 But at the same time the public wasn't really buying it. 398 00:26:08,780 --> 00:26:10,180 - It's all a cover-up. 399 00:26:10,180 --> 00:26:12,140 It's all a cover-up from the little child thing. 400 00:26:12,140 --> 00:26:14,060 That's what I think it is, and that's about it. 401 00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:16,300 - You don't think it's true love? - No. 402 00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:18,060 - I think it's a sham. 403 00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:21,860 Heterosexual marriage would certainly take some of the heat off 404 00:26:21,860 --> 00:26:24,460 being accused of being a homosexual paedophile. 405 00:26:24,460 --> 00:26:26,620 - FANS SCREAM 406 00:26:28,180 --> 00:26:32,100 - But Michael and Lisa were only together for around 18 months. 407 00:26:35,220 --> 00:26:38,420 - It's splitsville for Graceland and Neverland. 408 00:26:38,420 --> 00:26:40,700 Many of you may find this hard to believe, 409 00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:44,380 but Lisa Marie Presley and Michael Jackson are getting a divorce. 410 00:26:44,380 --> 00:26:48,780 - So, Tony, it looks like the gloved one is no longer the loved one. 411 00:26:48,780 --> 00:26:51,380 - Oh, such a sad story. 412 00:26:51,380 --> 00:26:53,100 Sorry to hear that, sorry to see that. 413 00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:54,540 What a shock, what a surprise. 414 00:26:57,820 --> 00:26:59,140 - It was kind of hard to watch. 415 00:27:00,460 --> 00:27:03,700 He was trying to maintain his position as like 416 00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:06,900 the biggest superstar in the world, 417 00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:08,420 and it wasn't quite working. 418 00:27:11,220 --> 00:27:15,300 - This is a man who changed the music industry. 419 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,780 He is a musical genius. 420 00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:21,700 And people don't think of him in that sense any more. 421 00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:23,180 They think of him as a freak. 422 00:27:24,420 --> 00:27:27,060 - Is there any way that he can lift himself out of this trough 423 00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:29,180 that he has largely dug for himself? 424 00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:01,700 - When he was working on the HIStory album, 425 00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:03,420 Michael called me and said, 426 00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:07,380 "Look, I want to use some of your paintings for the artwork." 427 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:13,620 That was the painting that he really liked. 428 00:28:13,620 --> 00:28:18,380 And then spontaneously he wrote this poem directly on the picture. 429 00:28:20,060 --> 00:28:24,820 "With such confusion, don't it make you want to scream? 430 00:28:24,820 --> 00:28:27,980 "You try to cope with every lie 431 00:28:27,980 --> 00:28:29,820 "To scrutinise somebody 432 00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:31,900 "Please have mercy 433 00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:34,260 "Because I just can't take it." 434 00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:42,780 - If you listen to the lyrics and the songs 435 00:28:42,780 --> 00:28:45,580 and the overall vibe of the tracks on HIStory, 436 00:28:45,580 --> 00:28:49,140 they're very aggressive, they're very defensive. 437 00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:59,340 Even the Scream video is very dark for Michael. 438 00:29:02,740 --> 00:29:05,780 Then for the HIStory album promo, 439 00:29:05,780 --> 00:29:08,340 Michael chose a dictator-esque image. 440 00:29:09,620 --> 00:29:12,380 He's got these military troops marching behind him 441 00:29:12,380 --> 00:29:14,260 and a godlike aura. 442 00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:18,500 That's what he wanted to push out there. 443 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:21,140 Still on top, still, you know, 444 00:29:21,140 --> 00:29:24,420 the biggest pop superstar in the history of music. 445 00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:27,820 - NEWS PRESENTER: Tower Bridge was raised this afternoon 446 00:29:27,820 --> 00:29:30,700 to allow a 30 foot statue of rock star Michael Jackson 447 00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:32,980 to pass along the Thames on a barge. 448 00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:35,180 SCREAMING AND CHEERING 449 00:29:35,180 --> 00:29:36,540 - I think it's brilliant. 450 00:29:36,540 --> 00:29:39,540 It's just the best thing that's happened on the River Thames. 451 00:29:39,540 --> 00:29:41,820 - He's a mega star, yeah, they call him the King of Pop 452 00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:43,420 so if he can afford to do this, why not? 453 00:29:46,180 --> 00:29:47,500 - For the HIStory tour, 454 00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:50,500 Michael decided to focus on his fan base abroad. 455 00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:56,700 And his popularity continued over in Europe and the UK, Asia 456 00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:59,980 versus the US, where it was kind of slipping a little bit 457 00:29:59,980 --> 00:30:03,260 because of the allegations and all the media circus around that. 458 00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:06,380 - CHANTING: - Michael! Michael! Michael! 459 00:30:09,860 --> 00:30:11,860 - CHANTING: - Michael! Michael! 460 00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:16,500 - It's like a dream come true. 461 00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:18,220 - I touched him! 462 00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:20,060 I'm not going to wash my hand. 463 00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:28,380 I remember this one time I was with Michael in Budapest... 464 00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:33,140 ..and the hotel was surrounded, 465 00:30:33,140 --> 00:30:35,980 under siege by thousands of young people. 466 00:30:35,980 --> 00:30:37,860 - CHANTING AND CHEERING 467 00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:44,020 - And what he did, he'd draw a curtain a little bit, 468 00:30:44,020 --> 00:30:46,220 and then he had his glove on, 469 00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:50,180 and people screeched. It was like an explosion down there. 470 00:30:50,180 --> 00:30:52,380 - FANS SCREAM 471 00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:57,180 - He was laughing and said, "Oh, my God, look! 472 00:30:57,180 --> 00:30:58,620 "Did you hear? Do you hear?" 473 00:31:02,180 --> 00:31:04,380 - SCREAMING 474 00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:07,700 - I think there's a deep desire to look up for people 475 00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:09,580 that are bigger than life, yeah? 476 00:31:09,580 --> 00:31:12,220 As role models or as somebody you can worship. 477 00:31:12,220 --> 00:31:16,060 I mean, I think that's what mankind needs. 478 00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:17,820 But I think the danger is... 479 00:31:18,860 --> 00:31:21,980 ..when everybody worships you, 480 00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:24,340 is that you start to believe it in a way that 481 00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:27,380 you start to worship yourself, and I think that's very dangerous. 482 00:31:28,940 --> 00:31:31,620 - Can I have a hug, please? Please, may I hug you? 483 00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:32,860 Please? 484 00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:35,940 - SHE CRIES: - I love you. - I love you more. 485 00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:39,980 - But he was enjoying that. He liked to have that effect on people. 486 00:31:39,980 --> 00:31:41,220 - Love you. 487 00:31:42,820 --> 00:31:44,980 - Sir, sir. This way. 488 00:31:44,980 --> 00:31:47,580 - Germany loves you, Michael. - I love Germany. 489 00:31:47,580 --> 00:31:49,100 - Oh, we love you. 490 00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:51,740 - GIRL SOBS 491 00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:37,700 CACOPHONY OF NOISE 492 00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:45,020 PAPARAZZI SHOUT 493 00:32:45,020 --> 00:32:46,980 CAR HORN HOOTS 494 00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:54,380 - OK, OK, OK. - Stay on the side. - OK, of course. 495 00:32:54,380 --> 00:32:57,220 - Stay in that corner. Stay in that corner. 496 00:32:58,460 --> 00:33:00,020 Stay in that corner. - OK. Michael? 497 00:33:00,020 --> 00:33:01,460 - Michael? 498 00:33:03,460 --> 00:33:05,500 - Step back. Please. 499 00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:09,300 - MICHAEL JACKSON: Where's your camera? - Yes, yes. 500 00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:10,580 - Please. 501 00:33:10,580 --> 00:33:13,420 Please. Please. Please. 502 00:33:14,940 --> 00:33:17,500 Come on. OK, please. 503 00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:21,100 Go, go. 504 00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:22,300 OK? 505 00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:24,580 - When I met Michael, 506 00:33:24,580 --> 00:33:28,100 I saw that he was addicted to fame. 507 00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:34,540 I was a well-known rabbi 508 00:33:34,540 --> 00:33:36,780 and Michael and I had become friends. 509 00:33:38,740 --> 00:33:40,380 Michael really needed to be loved, 510 00:33:40,380 --> 00:33:43,300 and he chose to be loved in... 511 00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:45,580 ..really, in an unhealthy way, 512 00:33:45,580 --> 00:33:48,980 which was through superstardom 513 00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:51,260 and the devotion of fans. 514 00:33:51,260 --> 00:33:53,300 - Sir, you're in the way! 515 00:33:58,220 --> 00:34:02,220 - I said to him, "You've made the mistake of substituting love 516 00:34:02,220 --> 00:34:05,380 "for this, this cheap forgery called attention. 517 00:34:07,460 --> 00:34:09,580 "And attention is never a good substitute for love. 518 00:34:09,580 --> 00:34:10,820 "It's never real." 519 00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:16,220 This attention became an addiction 520 00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:17,740 because he interpreted it as love 521 00:34:17,740 --> 00:34:19,940 and it became a monster. 522 00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:22,060 - PAPARAZZI SHOUT 523 00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:31,300 - I felt that one of my principal objectives 524 00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:35,060 was to tether him back to humility. 525 00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:42,020 And so our conversations became kind of therapy. 526 00:34:46,980 --> 00:34:49,380 He wanted every word 527 00:34:49,380 --> 00:34:51,300 recorded for posterity. 528 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:54,900 We recorded it on these two flimsy dicta machines, 529 00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:57,860 you know, they're on these tiny little tapes. 530 00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:12,180 - CROWD CHANTS: Michael! Michael! Michael! Michael! 531 00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:26,700 FANS SCREAM 532 00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:44,780 - He needed something to live for. 533 00:35:44,780 --> 00:35:47,460 And as he explained it to me, 534 00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:49,380 he always wanted to be around kids. 535 00:35:49,380 --> 00:35:51,700 He loved the innocence of a child, 536 00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:54,860 he loved the creativity of a child 537 00:35:54,860 --> 00:35:57,860 because for him, the adult world was people wanting money from him 538 00:35:57,860 --> 00:36:01,620 and people wanting to know him for all the wrong reasons. 539 00:36:04,820 --> 00:36:06,820 - CHILDREN SHRIEK 540 00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:11,660 - At that time in his life... 541 00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:16,340 ..I think that Michael wanted to be a father. 542 00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:20,460 - CHILDREN SCREAM 543 00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:24,260 - Because kids, as long as you give them unconditional love, 544 00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:26,100 they really give it back. 545 00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:28,420 They are mirror reflections of the love that we give them. 546 00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:30,900 And he was going to give them the greatest love, and they did. 547 00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:32,580 And that's what happened. 548 00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:46,900 - Ooh! 549 00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:49,740 - Something to wear tonight. - Teletubbies. 550 00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:51,100 - Who's that? 551 00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:54,180 - Lala. - That's right, it's Lala. 552 00:37:06,940 --> 00:37:10,380 - I think having children gave him a renewed sense of purpose, 553 00:37:10,380 --> 00:37:13,700 a renewed sense of energy and direction. 554 00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:14,940 - That's cute. 555 00:37:17,860 --> 00:37:20,020 BABY WHIMPERS 556 00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:25,180 That's a great shot. - It is. It is. 557 00:37:27,260 --> 00:37:28,580 - It's OK. 558 00:37:34,780 --> 00:37:37,900 - MICHAEL JACKSON: I want to be successful at being a great father. 559 00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:44,020 I want... I want them to say we felt completely loved 560 00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:45,820 and he was, like, incredible. 561 00:37:48,140 --> 00:37:51,580 That's my biggest dreams, one day for Prince and Paris 562 00:37:51,580 --> 00:37:54,620 just to say to somebody, "He was the best dad." 563 00:37:55,780 --> 00:37:57,460 - One, two, three. 564 00:37:57,460 --> 00:37:59,740 - ALL: - Surprise! 565 00:37:59,740 --> 00:38:01,460 - Wooo! 566 00:38:01,460 --> 00:38:03,420 - CLAPPING 567 00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:06,660 - # Happy birthday to you 568 00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:10,500 # Happy birthday dear Prince... # 569 00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:13,620 - I'd been working with Michael for four years 570 00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:16,300 by the time he had his children. 571 00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:20,980 When Prince and Paris came along... 572 00:38:22,580 --> 00:38:26,020 ..I saw a different, a different person. 573 00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,020 - Can we do one where we all just point at the camera like this? 574 00:38:32,020 --> 00:38:33,660 - OK. - All of us. 575 00:38:33,660 --> 00:38:37,140 - His life was now about the children. 576 00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:39,460 That was his priority. 577 00:38:41,540 --> 00:38:44,580 And he was getting more and more 578 00:38:44,580 --> 00:38:48,100 absolutely clear about his future. 579 00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:49,420 He was saying, "Dieter"... 580 00:38:51,140 --> 00:38:55,060 .."I did everything I could do in my life for the music, 581 00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:58,300 "and I think I did it well, and everybody made a lot of money. 582 00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:01,020 "But new people coming, 583 00:39:01,020 --> 00:39:03,180 "other music is coming." 584 00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:08,620 And he had a feeling he will never be successful like he was, 585 00:39:08,620 --> 00:39:10,940 and he was fine with it. 586 00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:15,180 Michael said he didn't want to be a trained monkey forever. 587 00:39:15,180 --> 00:39:16,660 It's over. 588 00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:18,900 Will you give it to Howie? Come on, let's do it. 589 00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:20,660 - THEY LAUGH 590 00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:25,940 - But when you start not to do 591 00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:29,100 what this, he called it system, wants, 592 00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:31,260 then you're in trouble. 593 00:39:31,260 --> 00:39:33,180 - Let's make it three. 594 00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:53,860 - # You never... 595 00:39:53,860 --> 00:39:56,140 # You never thought of before 596 00:39:56,140 --> 00:39:57,860 # When you live, when you love 597 00:39:57,860 --> 00:39:59,660 # And you give them your all 598 00:39:59,660 --> 00:40:01,940 # You can always... # 599 00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:04,460 - Sony was pushing him to continue his career. 600 00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:09,780 They were trying to get him to finish this album, Invincible. 601 00:40:09,780 --> 00:40:12,740 Wasn't my business but, you know, screw the album. 602 00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:16,660 We have to make your life healthy again. 603 00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:20,540 So there was a war for the soul of Michael Jackson. 604 00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:30,580 - Sony Music was one of the biggest labels in the world, hands down. 605 00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:33,820 And with Michael, 606 00:40:33,820 --> 00:40:37,220 well, there's a lot of money changing hands. 607 00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:39,940 So, yes, it's cut-throat. 608 00:40:41,860 --> 00:40:45,500 But Sony Music was no more cut-throat than any other label. 609 00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:51,380 - Michael's relationship was a contentious one 610 00:40:51,380 --> 00:40:53,300 with his record label. 611 00:40:56,140 --> 00:41:00,100 I was there to help facilitate a record 612 00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:01,900 he was putting out, called Invincible, 613 00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:05,340 which was his official last studio record with Sony, 614 00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:08,220 and things were going over budget. 615 00:41:08,220 --> 00:41:10,740 We had rented out the entire floor 616 00:41:10,740 --> 00:41:13,740 at the Plaza Hotel in New York. 617 00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:15,780 And for anybody who doesn't know that, 618 00:41:15,780 --> 00:41:17,820 that is extremely expensive, crazy. 619 00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:20,900 And he wasn't even showing up for things. 620 00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:23,420 - FANS CHANT: Michael! 621 00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:26,140 - A record company is there to make money. 622 00:41:26,140 --> 00:41:28,260 They are an investment firm in a way 623 00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:31,100 who is invested in you to produce something. 624 00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:33,140 - CHEERING 625 00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:35,260 - When we got the phone call that this was, you know, 626 00:41:35,260 --> 00:41:38,740 "How dare he? This was the most expensive record we've ever made." 627 00:41:38,740 --> 00:41:41,900 You know? And I'm like, "Oh, OK." I'm like, "How much?" 628 00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:43,860 "30 million." I'm like, ooh, sh...! 629 00:41:43,860 --> 00:41:46,500 So it was kind of... It was a problem. 630 00:41:47,540 --> 00:41:52,220 But everybody was really trying to get him in tow 631 00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:55,300 so we could make a deadline for album release. 632 00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:57,500 Thank you! - CHEERING 633 00:41:59,060 --> 00:42:02,900 - There's one time where I was asked to pick up a package at a house 634 00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:05,740 that apparently was being sold and is empty, 635 00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:08,540 and in the mailbox was this package. 636 00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:11,940 And I opened it up and it happened to be full of Demerol, 637 00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:16,060 which is a prescription pain medication, 638 00:42:16,060 --> 00:42:17,620 but a lot of it. 639 00:42:17,620 --> 00:42:21,420 It was a known thing that you don't ask. 640 00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:22,820 I said, "What's going...?" 641 00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:27,380 And I was like, "Oh, OK, um, never mind." 642 00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:34,260 But then he would go to the studio as long as he had his magical pills. 643 00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:38,020 But it was all so confusing at the same time. 644 00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:41,540 It wasn't... I'm not there to look at someone and unwrap the package. 645 00:42:41,540 --> 00:42:44,020 I'm there to get records done, right? 646 00:42:46,820 --> 00:42:49,500 - There were so many people who were reliant on him 647 00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:52,300 to be the golden goose that lays eggs again. 648 00:42:55,220 --> 00:42:58,700 But he knew that path was corrosive. 649 00:43:00,460 --> 00:43:02,700 It frightened me. 650 00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:04,860 There was too much conflict going on with him. 651 00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:08,700 And I, I sensed and I saw that I was losing my influence. 652 00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:12,500 And I told him, "I'm not going to watch you drive your life 653 00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:14,020 "off a cliff and clap." 654 00:43:14,020 --> 00:43:17,180 - CHEERING AND SCREAMING 655 00:43:20,340 --> 00:43:22,740 FANS SCREAM 656 00:43:27,820 --> 00:43:32,220 TV COMMENTARY: Invincible has sold two million copies in six months 657 00:43:32,220 --> 00:43:34,300 and that ain't invincible. 658 00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:37,900 - The flop of Invincible, along with a general downturn in sales, 659 00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:40,860 means that Sony's share price has suffered of late. 660 00:43:44,060 --> 00:43:46,380 - Michael told me, "You know what? 661 00:43:46,380 --> 00:43:48,660 "I can't do this any more." 662 00:43:53,180 --> 00:43:56,100 Michael was done with the music 663 00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:58,340 and with touring and all of this. 664 00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:12,740 But Sony was not happy at all with this. 665 00:44:14,420 --> 00:44:16,740 So he knew he has to fight 666 00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:18,860 to come out of this situation. 667 00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:27,980 - From my vantage point, 668 00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:31,820 he got a tremendous amount of support from Sony Music. 669 00:44:33,580 --> 00:44:35,660 But you have to understand, they're artists, 670 00:44:35,660 --> 00:44:37,460 they're all narcissists. 671 00:44:37,460 --> 00:44:39,380 They can't help themselves, OK? 672 00:44:39,380 --> 00:44:42,300 If their record's not selling, it's someone's fault. 673 00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:48,300 You know, if their tour's not doing well, it's someone's fault. 674 00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:50,300 Someone is always to blame. 675 00:44:56,300 --> 00:45:00,340 - Michael Jackson is the architect of his own destiny. 676 00:45:00,340 --> 00:45:03,180 Like every single human being, 677 00:45:03,180 --> 00:45:04,780 whether you're special or not, 678 00:45:04,780 --> 00:45:07,220 you are the creator of the reality you live in. 679 00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:14,420 I remember we were required to go to New York City, 680 00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:17,820 and then he's whisked off to Al Sharpton's church. 681 00:45:19,260 --> 00:45:21,700 I personally think he was jacked up on something. 682 00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:23,460 - CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 683 00:45:25,620 --> 00:45:26,780 Throughout the years... 684 00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:32,020 ..black artists have been taken advantage of completely. 685 00:45:32,020 --> 00:45:33,500 APPLAUSE 686 00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:35,740 If Sony, Tommy Mottola... 687 00:45:35,740 --> 00:45:39,780 Tommy Mottola is the president of the record division, 688 00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:42,540 he is a mean, he's a racist... 689 00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:47,620 ..and he's very, very, very devilish. 690 00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:50,660 APPLAUSE 691 00:45:50,660 --> 00:45:53,660 - You know, this just... It just exploded right there. 692 00:45:53,660 --> 00:45:55,580 - NEWS REPORTER: - Sony's statement reads, 693 00:45:55,580 --> 00:45:59,460 "We were deeply offended by the outrageous comments Mr Jackson made. 694 00:45:59,460 --> 00:46:02,340 "Mr Jackson has committed a serious abuse of power 695 00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:04,140 "that comes with celebrity." 696 00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:06,100 - SHOUTING AND SCREAMING 697 00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:07,860 - Look at this. 698 00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:16,020 - CROWD SCREAMS 699 00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:22,980 CROWD CHANTS: Sony sucks! Sony sucks! 700 00:46:22,980 --> 00:46:25,580 Sony sucks! Sony sucks! 701 00:46:29,820 --> 00:46:32,340 - He told me, "Dieter, you need to help me. 702 00:46:32,340 --> 00:46:33,700 "It's over." 703 00:46:34,820 --> 00:46:38,460 He asked me to terminate all his contracts 704 00:46:38,460 --> 00:46:41,780 with his lawyers, with his team, with everybody. 705 00:46:43,060 --> 00:46:47,020 And he did want that I take over everything. 706 00:46:52,020 --> 00:46:55,420 - Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Michael Jackson. 707 00:46:55,420 --> 00:46:57,420 And rather than writing you a letter, 708 00:46:57,420 --> 00:46:59,540 I've found this format to be most efficient 709 00:46:59,540 --> 00:47:01,580 for what I wish to communicate. 710 00:47:03,580 --> 00:47:05,060 Dieter Weisner from Germany 711 00:47:05,060 --> 00:47:07,300 and myself have entered into an agreement, 712 00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:09,660 an exclusive long term partnership. 713 00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:12,260 - He gave me a power of attorney. 714 00:47:12,260 --> 00:47:14,740 - I will personally sign agreements. 715 00:47:14,740 --> 00:47:18,380 I legally authorise my partners to sign on my behalf. 716 00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:23,460 - But he told me, "Dieter, the old team, 717 00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:25,220 "they will be after you." 718 00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:28,620 They called once and told me, 719 00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:31,620 "You take our golden cow 720 00:47:31,620 --> 00:47:34,540 "and you have to stop this." 721 00:47:34,540 --> 00:47:35,740 And, um... 722 00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:41,820 But I was on Michael's side, of course, and I did what he'd want. 723 00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:46,260 I remember these words from Michael to me. 724 00:47:46,260 --> 00:47:49,300 "I put my life and my future in your hand." 725 00:48:03,060 --> 00:48:04,900 Wait, wait, wait. - CHILD CRIES 726 00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:10,180 PRINCE CRIES 727 00:48:11,180 --> 00:48:12,700 When it comes to distributing cookies, 728 00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:15,340 we get to see children's real personality. 729 00:48:15,340 --> 00:48:16,740 Here, come here. 730 00:48:18,340 --> 00:48:19,620 Prince, over here, 731 00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:22,100 before I grind you into hamburger. 732 00:48:23,820 --> 00:48:27,180 No! You want the cookie, you behave. 733 00:48:27,180 --> 00:48:29,380 PRINCE CRIES 734 00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:33,940 Here. OK, here. Here's the cookie. 735 00:48:34,980 --> 00:48:36,700 Paris, do you want some of this? 736 00:48:38,180 --> 00:48:40,740 - By that time, I wasn't involved in his life. 737 00:48:40,740 --> 00:48:43,100 - Paris, are you going to say thank you? 738 00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:44,780 Turn around. 739 00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:46,780 Paris, you want that? 740 00:48:46,780 --> 00:48:50,380 - I received a phone call from... 741 00:48:53,020 --> 00:48:57,100 ..a producer that worked with Martin Bashir. 742 00:48:57,100 --> 00:49:00,140 Martin Bashir wants to interview Michael Jackson. 743 00:49:00,140 --> 00:49:03,140 - OK. You're getting the big one. 744 00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:06,700 - I got off the phone and I went to Michael and said, "First of all, 745 00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:08,940 "your life, it's not ready to be open to the public. 746 00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:13,660 "Stay a billion miles away from this guy." 747 00:49:15,660 --> 00:49:18,180 But Michael was an insecure person 748 00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:20,860 who is going to look for the validation of the public. 749 00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:27,300 - He wanted to talk about his whole life, 750 00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:28,780 his career, 751 00:49:28,780 --> 00:49:31,620 that people really understand him. 752 00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:37,420 So Martin Bashir followed Michael for eight months. 753 00:49:42,860 --> 00:49:45,140 - How do you write a song? 754 00:49:45,140 --> 00:49:46,820 How do you write a song? 755 00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:48,460 - When I wrote Billie Jean, 756 00:49:48,460 --> 00:49:52,220 I was writing in my car down Ventura Boulevard. 757 00:49:52,220 --> 00:49:54,220 All I said to myself beforehand, 758 00:49:54,220 --> 00:49:57,660 I want to write a song with a great bass hook, you know? 759 00:49:57,660 --> 00:50:01,620 SINGS THE BILLIE JEAN BASS LINE 760 00:50:01,620 --> 00:50:03,820 You know... - Where did that come from? 761 00:50:04,780 --> 00:50:07,740 - From above. - The dance as well? - Yeah, same thing. 762 00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:09,220 - How do you do it? 763 00:50:09,220 --> 00:50:10,740 Can you show me how you do it? 764 00:50:10,740 --> 00:50:13,380 - Oh, boy. - Come on, just get up and... - I'm shy. 765 00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:15,420 - Oh, come on, just show me. Just show me... 766 00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:17,580 Just show me. Show me what you do. 767 00:50:17,580 --> 00:50:18,980 Teach me. 768 00:50:18,980 --> 00:50:20,220 - OK. Er... 769 00:50:21,260 --> 00:50:23,580 Oh, boy. You're putting me on the spot now. 770 00:50:23,580 --> 00:50:26,220 - Come on. - Now people are discovering something about me. 771 00:50:26,220 --> 00:50:29,940 I'm really shy, I'm embarrassed. - OK, you're shy. Just get up and show me. 772 00:50:29,940 --> 00:50:31,940 - Erm... OK. 773 00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:38,300 - Michael opened the door for everything. 774 00:50:43,260 --> 00:50:45,500 - CROWD CHANT AND CHEER 775 00:50:47,540 --> 00:50:50,180 - Michael had just had another child. 776 00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:57,940 We was in the room together 777 00:50:57,940 --> 00:51:03,060 and Michael heard the screaming from the fans. 778 00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:04,820 It was a beautiful feeling. 779 00:51:04,820 --> 00:51:07,140 - CROWD CHEERS 780 00:51:08,980 --> 00:51:12,020 - And Michael was so excited. I was behind him. 781 00:51:12,020 --> 00:51:13,620 He took Blanket... 782 00:51:14,780 --> 00:51:17,500 ..but he had him really fast under his arm. 783 00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:20,060 - CROWD CHANTS 784 00:51:22,060 --> 00:51:24,260 CROWD SCREAMS 785 00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:39,820 - And the next morning I came out of my room 786 00:51:39,820 --> 00:51:42,580 and I saw all over the newspaper. 787 00:51:44,020 --> 00:51:47,100 That was not a nice, not a nice picture. 788 00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:50,260 But, of course, Martin Bashir, he was there. 789 00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:53,820 - I love you. - Here he is. 790 00:51:53,820 --> 00:51:55,900 - But I want to give you this bottle! 791 00:51:55,900 --> 00:51:57,340 Wait, wait. Ah! 792 00:51:57,340 --> 00:51:58,820 Here's the bottle. 793 00:51:58,820 --> 00:52:01,780 - It's OK. Just get this off. - Ow! Oh, please don't cry, Blanket. 794 00:52:01,780 --> 00:52:03,500 BABY CRIES 795 00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:05,500 OK, OK. Here we go. A-boo. A-boo. 796 00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:07,860 BABY CRIES A-boo! Boo, boo, boo! 797 00:52:07,860 --> 00:52:09,220 Yes. A-boo! 798 00:52:09,220 --> 00:52:10,780 Blanket. Blanket. 799 00:52:10,780 --> 00:52:13,540 Blanket. Blanket. Blanket! I love you! 800 00:52:13,540 --> 00:52:15,300 Blanket. Yes, yes, yes! 801 00:52:16,540 --> 00:52:19,140 - Have you been hearing about what people have been saying? 802 00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:20,820 - It's totally ignorant. 803 00:52:20,820 --> 00:52:23,420 I would never do that to my children or any child. 804 00:52:23,420 --> 00:52:25,660 Try to kill them? Come on, stupid. 805 00:52:25,660 --> 00:52:27,660 And why would I put a scarf over the baby's face 806 00:52:27,660 --> 00:52:30,300 if I was trying to throw him off the balcony? 807 00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:33,500 We were waving to thousands of fans down below and they were chanting, 808 00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:35,260 they wanted to see my child. 809 00:52:35,260 --> 00:52:37,660 So I was kind enough to let them see. 810 00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:40,660 I was doing something out of innocence. 811 00:52:46,340 --> 00:52:48,980 - When Living With Michael Jackson airs this evening, 812 00:52:48,980 --> 00:52:51,260 these streets are going to be deserted. 813 00:52:51,260 --> 00:52:54,060 Fans and critics alike are saying they're going to be staying in 814 00:52:54,060 --> 00:52:55,660 to watch the programme. 815 00:52:55,660 --> 00:52:59,140 With his reputation in America very much at stake, 816 00:52:59,140 --> 00:53:02,060 for Michael Jackson, it must be a nervous wait. 817 00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:06,100 - I didn't want that we watched the documentary 818 00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:08,420 until I know what happened. 819 00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:13,180 But Michael, of course he want to see it. 820 00:53:13,180 --> 00:53:17,020 We watched it on TV together. 821 00:53:21,340 --> 00:53:24,860 - Eight months ago, I put a proposal to Michael Jackson - 822 00:53:24,860 --> 00:53:27,140 show me the real man 823 00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:30,340 but show me everything, make nothing off limits. 824 00:53:30,340 --> 00:53:34,820 He thought about it and then he said, "Yes, come to Neverland." 825 00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:40,340 We began a journey together across continents, 826 00:53:40,340 --> 00:53:44,220 through his past and rapidly into the disturbing reality 827 00:53:44,220 --> 00:53:45,820 of his life today. 828 00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:48,420 - In the documentary... 829 00:53:49,580 --> 00:53:52,740 ..was this young boy, Gavin Arvizo. 830 00:53:54,620 --> 00:53:57,420 And he was taking care of him. 831 00:53:57,420 --> 00:54:02,540 - When people hear that children from other families 832 00:54:02,540 --> 00:54:05,100 have come and they've stayed in your house, 833 00:54:05,100 --> 00:54:06,900 they've stayed in your bedroom... 834 00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:08,820 - Well, very few. 835 00:54:08,820 --> 00:54:10,900 - But you know, some have. 836 00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:12,900 And they say, 837 00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:16,980 is that really appropriate for a man, a grown man, to be doing that? 838 00:54:16,980 --> 00:54:18,500 How do you respond to that? 839 00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:21,540 - I feel sorry for them because that's judging someone 840 00:54:21,540 --> 00:54:23,460 who just wants to really help people. 841 00:54:23,460 --> 00:54:25,100 Why can't you share your bed? 842 00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:29,300 The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone. 843 00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:34,780 - When I saw this, I got a very bad feeling. 844 00:54:34,780 --> 00:54:37,020 - When you're talking about children, 845 00:54:37,020 --> 00:54:42,300 if I said, "Well, I've invited some of my daughter's friends round, 846 00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:43,780 "or my son's friends round, 847 00:54:43,780 --> 00:54:46,020 "and they're going to sleep in the bed with me tonight..." - That's fine. 848 00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:47,980 - What do you think their parents would say? 849 00:54:47,980 --> 00:54:50,140 - If they're wacky, they would say you can't. 850 00:54:50,140 --> 00:54:52,980 - I suppose the problem for many people 851 00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:55,340 is what happened in 1993 852 00:54:55,340 --> 00:54:56,980 or what didn't happen. 853 00:54:56,980 --> 00:54:58,580 - What didn't happen. 854 00:55:02,220 --> 00:55:05,580 - One bombshell after another about his bizarre behaviour 855 00:55:05,580 --> 00:55:07,900 in a new British documentary. 856 00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:11,100 Jackson admits he still has sleepovers with young boys. 857 00:55:12,940 --> 00:55:14,260 - I felt... 858 00:55:18,300 --> 00:55:20,420 ..shock. Absolute shock. 859 00:55:20,420 --> 00:55:22,820 Have you lost all touch with reality... 860 00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:27,820 ..that you don't even know how people are going to 861 00:55:27,820 --> 00:55:30,100 react to that? 862 00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:34,900 - He said he slept in a bed with children that are not his own. 863 00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:36,940 I mean, this isn't made up, this isn't fabricated. 864 00:55:36,940 --> 00:55:39,260 What kind of loony would, A, do it, 865 00:55:39,260 --> 00:55:41,780 and, B, go on national TV and admit it? 866 00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:46,780 - Michael crossed lines that clearly are uncrossable. 867 00:55:46,780 --> 00:55:48,940 Sharing a bed with a child that's not yours, 868 00:55:48,940 --> 00:55:52,140 even if it's not sexual, it's still insanity. 869 00:55:53,180 --> 00:55:56,300 - We got the reaction from all over, of course. 870 00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:58,020 It was terrible. 871 00:55:58,020 --> 00:56:00,500 - You can't sleep with strangers' kids. 872 00:56:00,500 --> 00:56:02,180 As much as I love Michael Jackson, 873 00:56:02,180 --> 00:56:04,340 I'm having a hard time defending him right now. 874 00:56:04,340 --> 00:56:07,220 - I believe that child welfare services should interview 875 00:56:07,220 --> 00:56:09,860 every child that has been at Neverland 876 00:56:09,860 --> 00:56:12,620 with Mr Jackson in his bedroom or anywhere else in the home 877 00:56:12,620 --> 00:56:14,500 without the presence of their parents, 878 00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:15,780 find out what's going on. 879 00:56:16,780 --> 00:56:18,420 - He couldn't talk, 880 00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:21,340 and he was sitting on his bed crying. 881 00:56:21,340 --> 00:56:23,380 - What's ahead for Michael Jackson? 882 00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:26,860 What do you think's ahead after this? - Oh, a real bumpy road. 883 00:56:26,860 --> 00:56:28,700 I don't think he'll recover from this one. 884 00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:33,540 - That documentary led directly or indirectly 885 00:56:33,540 --> 00:56:36,500 to Michael Jackson's death. There's absolutely no question about it. 886 00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:38,220 That was the beginning of the end. 887 00:56:51,180 --> 00:56:54,100 - Michael Jackson wasn't the ordinary paedophile. 888 00:56:55,540 --> 00:56:57,660 He had the means to be able to do things 889 00:56:57,660 --> 00:57:00,220 that no-one else I had ever prosecuted could do. 890 00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:04,740 An estate that was 2,800 acres, 891 00:57:04,740 --> 00:57:07,700 and a huge house with multiple locks, 892 00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:10,180 a staff that just ignored what was going on. 893 00:57:10,180 --> 00:57:12,100 That was unique to Michael Jackson. 894 00:57:13,780 --> 00:57:16,660 - Gavin, can you tell us what your conversations, 895 00:57:16,660 --> 00:57:18,340 what you guys talked about? 896 00:57:31,220 --> 00:57:34,500 - We had lost the opportunity ten years earlier. 897 00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:38,660 And we were determined that that not happen again.