1 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:12,900 Rolling? 2 00:00:12,900 --> 00:00:14,660 We're rolling, yeah. 3 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,040 OK, we are going, guys? Yeah. 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,450 OK, Alexei, I want to talk about something 5 00:00:21,450 --> 00:00:24,900 we sort of touched on this morning. 6 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:28,000 You might hate this, but I really want you to think about it. 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,900 If you are killed, if this does happen, 8 00:00:31,900 --> 00:00:37,200 what message do you leave behind to the Russian people? 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,500 Oh, come on, Daniel! 10 00:00:39,500 --> 00:00:41,500 No, no way. 11 00:00:41,500 --> 00:00:44,240 It is like you are making a movie for the case of my death. 12 00:00:46,460 --> 00:00:49,260 Like, again, I am ready to answer your question. 13 00:00:49,260 --> 00:00:53,950 But please, let it be another movie. Movie number two. 14 00:00:53,950 --> 00:00:57,290 Let's make a thriller out of this movie, 15 00:00:57,290 --> 00:01:01,870 and in the case I would be killed, let's make a boring movie of memory. 16 00:02:00,790 --> 00:02:04,700 Alexei Navalny is stepping back into another showdown with the Kremlin. 17 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,700 What to do with Navalny presents a conundrum for the Kremlin. 18 00:02:09,700 --> 00:02:13,370 Let him go and risk looking weak, or lock him up, 19 00:02:13,370 --> 00:02:16,120 knowing it could turn him into a political martyr. 20 00:02:33,330 --> 00:02:36,370 APPLAUSE 21 00:02:36,370 --> 00:02:38,910 Mr Navalny, aren't you afraid? 22 00:02:50,370 --> 00:02:52,200 Are you not scared, Alexei? 23 00:02:56,870 --> 00:02:58,370 What do you expect in Moscow? 24 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,240 CHANTING: Nav-al-ny! Nav-al-ny! 25 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,080 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 26 00:04:09,330 --> 00:04:13,290 Unexpectedly, Vladimir Putin has a genuine challenger, 27 00:04:13,290 --> 00:04:16,950 a handsome 41-year-old lawyer, Alexei Navalny, 28 00:04:16,950 --> 00:04:19,870 who has chosen one of the most dangerous occupations 29 00:04:19,870 --> 00:04:24,950 in the world - running against the man who controls the Kremlin. 30 00:04:24,950 --> 00:04:27,950 More than any other opposition figure in Russia, 31 00:04:27,950 --> 00:04:32,830 Alexei Navalny gets ordinary people out to protest. 32 00:04:32,830 --> 00:04:35,950 CHANTING 33 00:04:37,290 --> 00:04:39,830 If I want to fight to Putin, if I want to be 34 00:04:39,830 --> 00:04:43,490 the leader of a country, I have to do something practical about it. 35 00:04:43,490 --> 00:04:47,290 Well, I have to kind of organise people. 36 00:05:23,540 --> 00:05:25,540 I was banned from everything. 37 00:05:25,540 --> 00:05:27,290 Television, banned. 38 00:05:27,290 --> 00:05:29,490 Newspapers, blacklisted. 39 00:05:29,490 --> 00:05:31,700 Rallies, forbidden. 40 00:05:36,370 --> 00:05:39,870 I realised I can do a lot on my own, 41 00:05:39,870 --> 00:05:42,240 with the support of my wife, Yulia. 42 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,790 Just a small group of people I can rely on. 43 00:05:48,790 --> 00:05:51,950 Zero money, a lot of work, 44 00:05:51,950 --> 00:05:54,160 internet, and that's it. 45 00:06:03,660 --> 00:06:05,740 His youngest fans have turned to TikTok, 46 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:08,040 which has been crucial in spreading the word. 47 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,080 Navalny's posted hundreds of videos about his corruption investigations, 48 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,990 and they're wildly popular. 49 00:06:21,370 --> 00:06:23,200 The Kremlin hates Navalny so much 50 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,990 that they've literally refused to say his name. 51 00:06:58,370 --> 00:07:00,950 BANGING 52 00:07:05,580 --> 00:07:07,620 Our office, raided. 53 00:07:07,620 --> 00:07:10,830 And they just confiscated everything. 54 00:07:10,830 --> 00:07:13,620 Everything. 55 00:07:13,620 --> 00:07:17,830 They splash a toxic liquid to my face, and my first thought 56 00:07:17,830 --> 00:07:23,990 was, "Jesus, I will be kind of monster until the end of my days." 57 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,540 As I became more and more famous guy, I was totally sure that my life 58 00:07:39,540 --> 00:07:45,740 became safer and safer, because I am kind of a famous guy. 59 00:07:45,740 --> 00:07:50,950 And it will be problematic for them just to kill me. 60 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,740 And, boy, were you wrong! 61 00:07:53,740 --> 00:07:56,040 Yes. I was very wrong. 62 00:08:42,410 --> 00:08:49,040 So, we went to Siberia to make a nice movie about local corruption. 63 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,990 I expected a lot of police. 64 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,490 I expected a lot of people who try to prevent our filming, confiscate 65 00:08:57,490 --> 00:09:01,450 our cameras, or just break our cameras, or try to beat us. 66 00:09:01,450 --> 00:09:04,950 I expected that sort of things, and I was very surprised. 67 00:09:04,950 --> 00:09:09,160 Like, "Hmm. Why is nobody here?" 68 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,120 Why is there a kind of... 69 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:18,290 I even have this strange feeling, like lack of respect. 70 00:09:18,290 --> 00:09:22,490 "Seriously? I am here, where is my police?" 71 00:09:22,490 --> 00:09:27,870 The whole trip was the smoothest trip I ever had in the regions. 72 00:09:27,870 --> 00:09:32,540 I am a kind of slave of Thursdays. 73 00:09:32,540 --> 00:09:36,660 Because on Thursday I have my online YouTube show. 74 00:09:36,660 --> 00:09:40,240 And then, at weekends, I can spend it with my family, 75 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,700 before another trip to another region. 76 00:09:43,790 --> 00:09:48,620 I was going home and then... 77 00:09:48,620 --> 00:09:50,490 ..I died. 78 00:09:50,490 --> 00:09:52,200 CRIES OF PAIN 79 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,450 Passengers on his flight from Siberia 80 00:09:54,450 --> 00:09:57,790 heard Alexei Navalny cry out in agony. 81 00:10:06,490 --> 00:10:09,200 SIRENS 82 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,830 Other passengers, filming just after the plane 83 00:10:11,830 --> 00:10:14,240 makes an emergency landing in Siberia. 84 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:19,160 Navalny then rushed to the hospital, where he was put on a ventilator. 85 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,120 His spokeswoman saying Navalny was poisoned. 86 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,620 His wife raced to be by his side. 87 00:11:40,740 --> 00:11:43,200 SHOUTING 88 00:11:49,740 --> 00:11:52,580 SHOUTING CONTINUES 89 00:12:27,580 --> 00:12:31,870 TRANSLATION: We've come to the conclusion that, 90 00:12:31,870 --> 00:12:35,870 judging by the fact there were no poisons found in his blood or 91 00:12:35,870 --> 00:12:39,240 other biological materials, he has a metabolic disorder, 92 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,790 lowering of blood sugar levels, to be specific. 93 00:12:43,490 --> 00:12:45,790 We are hearing state news agencies here 94 00:12:45,790 --> 00:12:48,160 that are backed by the Kremlin suggesting that 95 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,540 hallucinogenic drugs may be involved, but not poisoning. 96 00:13:38,580 --> 00:13:42,040 CHANTING 97 00:14:08,490 --> 00:14:10,240 PEOPLE SHOUT 98 00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:19,330 WOMAN CONTINUES SHOUTING 99 00:14:19,330 --> 00:14:22,700 CROWD CHANTS 100 00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:35,830 Um... 101 00:15:24,910 --> 00:15:27,240 CAMERAS CLICK 102 00:15:41,620 --> 00:15:46,870 This morning an air ambulance from a German charity landed. 103 00:15:46,870 --> 00:15:50,330 TRANSLATION: We have to make sure his condition is completely stable. 104 00:15:50,330 --> 00:15:53,240 We cannot transfer him in this state, even if 105 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,370 his family have consented to it. 106 00:16:52,830 --> 00:16:54,540 APPLAUSE 107 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,700 SIRENS BLARE 108 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,990 The moment when I heard the news that Navalny was poisoned, 109 00:17:50,990 --> 00:17:54,160 my first thought was, can this be the Kremlin? 110 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,240 Would they be so dumb to try and kill an opposition figure, 111 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,740 the main opposition figure? 112 00:17:58,740 --> 00:18:00,740 I was sceptical, I thought, hmm, 113 00:18:00,740 --> 00:18:04,620 maybe it's one of the many oligarchs on whose feet he has stepped. 114 00:18:04,620 --> 00:18:08,290 Either it's a state ordered attack or it is somebody who is 115 00:18:08,290 --> 00:18:12,790 trying to assassinate opposition figures in order to appease Putin. 116 00:18:12,790 --> 00:18:15,660 The closest anyone has come to tracing the poisoning to 117 00:18:15,660 --> 00:18:19,240 Vladimir Putin, the 2018 attack in Salisbury, England. 118 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,790 A defiant Kremlin insisting again they had nothing to do with 119 00:18:23,790 --> 00:18:28,540 the brazen assassination attempt of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal. 120 00:18:30,620 --> 00:18:34,620 Skripal was poisoned by the military grade nerve agent Novichok. 121 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:39,160 The seriousness of Novichok is that it actually starts 122 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,080 switching off your nerve connectors in your body one by one. 123 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,490 If it's dosed properly, it will just turn you off as a body. 124 00:18:46,490 --> 00:18:50,120 But then within hours, any trace, it will disappear. 125 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:53,830 So it will always forever look like it was a natural death. 126 00:18:55,370 --> 00:18:59,740 And this is why it appears to be the preferred form of killing for 127 00:18:59,740 --> 00:19:04,740 people whose death will be in the public scrutiny, such as Navalny. 128 00:19:12,660 --> 00:19:15,580 There was a lot of pressure for us to start investigating. 129 00:19:15,580 --> 00:19:19,370 Media partners in Russia reached out to us and said, can you help? 130 00:19:19,370 --> 00:19:21,540 We looked at it and we thought there is no hope in hell 131 00:19:21,540 --> 00:19:24,160 we can investigate a crime that happened in Russia, 132 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:29,540 in the remote corners of Siberia, sitting here comfortably in Europe. 133 00:19:29,540 --> 00:19:31,870 We didn't even try in the beginning. 134 00:19:50,830 --> 00:19:54,080 Alexei Navalny arrives at this hospital in Berlin 135 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,160 with his wife Yulia. 136 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,200 A spokesperson tweeted, "The struggle for Alexei's life 137 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,370 "and health is just beginning." 138 00:20:03,370 --> 00:20:08,740 Here at the hospital, both inside and out, he'll be watched. 139 00:20:11,660 --> 00:20:14,160 CAMERAS CLICK 140 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,580 To have your dad, 141 00:20:54,580 --> 00:20:57,740 an opposition leader, 142 00:20:57,740 --> 00:21:00,910 being poisoned by we don't know what, we don't 143 00:21:00,910 --> 00:21:04,290 know how, we don't know when, 144 00:21:04,290 --> 00:21:07,370 and just be in a random hospital. 145 00:21:07,370 --> 00:21:10,040 It was just... 146 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,450 It was surreal, it was literally like a book. 147 00:21:12,450 --> 00:21:14,580 PHONE RINGS 148 00:21:17,330 --> 00:21:22,080 The doctors can't say anything about his brain. 149 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,330 To which extent he will recover, even if they manage to wake him up. 150 00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:33,740 Many millions of Navalny supporters are trying to figure out how 151 00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:37,580 to help. We, in Berlin, are a small team. 152 00:21:37,580 --> 00:21:42,410 We have to dive into actually, like, getting things done. 153 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:50,160 We all were very sceptical about investigating Alexei's poisoning. 154 00:21:51,620 --> 00:21:53,490 As opposed to previous cases, 155 00:21:53,490 --> 00:21:56,540 this poisoning took place on the Russian soil. 156 00:21:56,540 --> 00:21:58,740 So no-one is going to share 157 00:21:58,740 --> 00:22:00,040 CCTV footage with us. 158 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,490 We're not going to have 159 00:22:01,490 --> 00:22:03,830 fancy videos from the airport where 160 00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:06,040 the poisoner is flying in and out. 161 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,580 And as much as it hurts to admit, 162 00:22:08,580 --> 00:22:11,450 while Putin is in power, we'll never find out the truth. 163 00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:13,870 CAMERAS CLICK 164 00:22:13,870 --> 00:22:15,950 Yulia, how is your husband this morning? 165 00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:34,410 It was so crazy, like, it's Putin's signature poison. 166 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,080 We were actually so shocked that he didn't just decide to murder him, 167 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,580 but to poison. 168 00:22:43,580 --> 00:22:47,370 And not just to poison, but exactly with Novichok, like really, 169 00:22:47,370 --> 00:22:50,950 like leaving a signature on the crime scene. 170 00:22:59,330 --> 00:23:02,790 When you come to the room of a comatose patient, 171 00:23:02,790 --> 00:23:05,830 you start doing, you just tell him some news. 172 00:23:07,410 --> 00:23:11,990 Telling him his story, Alexei, don't worry, you were poisoned, 173 00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:15,620 there was a murder attempt, Putin tried to kill you with Novichok. 174 00:23:17,620 --> 00:23:22,290 And he opens his, like, blue eyes wide and looked at me 175 00:23:22,290 --> 00:23:23,870 and said very clear... 176 00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:31,700 Come on, poisoned? I don't believe it. 177 00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:34,080 Like he is back, this is Alexei. 178 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,120 Putin is supposed to be not so stupid to use this Novichok. 179 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:41,580 His wording, his expletives, his intonation. 180 00:23:41,580 --> 00:23:44,910 If you want to kill someone, just shoot him. Jesus Christ. 181 00:23:44,910 --> 00:23:47,700 Like, real Alexei. 182 00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:49,990 It's impossible to believe it. It's kind of stupid, 183 00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:53,830 the whole idea of poisoning with a chemical weapon. 184 00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:55,330 What the fuck? 185 00:23:55,330 --> 00:23:59,660 This is why this is not smart because even reasonable people, 186 00:23:59,660 --> 00:24:01,620 they refuse to believe - like, what? 187 00:24:01,620 --> 00:24:03,540 Come on. Poisoned? 188 00:24:03,540 --> 00:24:05,870 Seriously? 189 00:24:22,370 --> 00:24:25,120 IN GERMAN: 190 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,790 Traditional journalism implies you meeting with a source, 191 00:24:57,790 --> 00:24:59,870 and that source telling you a story. 192 00:25:01,370 --> 00:25:03,580 In today's world of fake news, 193 00:25:03,580 --> 00:25:06,370 we don't trust sources because we don't trust humans. 194 00:25:06,370 --> 00:25:07,870 SIREN BLARES 195 00:25:07,870 --> 00:25:09,660 We trust data. 196 00:25:09,660 --> 00:25:13,160 Bellingcat is an organisation of digital nerds. 197 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,450 Most of us with almost autistic-like fascination with numbers. 198 00:25:19,330 --> 00:25:22,870 Every time you use your email, you make a phone call, make a doctor's 199 00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:26,410 appointment, take a plane or train, any time you use the ATM, every 200 00:25:26,410 --> 00:25:30,040 time you actually look at the screen of your phone, that leaves a trace. 201 00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:33,370 In a place like Russia, 202 00:25:33,370 --> 00:25:37,160 imagine the person who works at a travel agency that has access to the 203 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,700 flight manifest, they are getting, what, 25 bucks a day as a salary? 204 00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:45,370 And then for another 25 they would be able to sell that flight 205 00:25:45,370 --> 00:25:47,370 manifest to anybody who asks for it. 206 00:25:47,370 --> 00:25:50,540 Just because they'll double their income for the day. 207 00:25:50,540 --> 00:25:54,870 This is a whole industry. Data brokers are on the dark web. 208 00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:57,620 You negotiate a price and within a few minutes, 209 00:25:57,620 --> 00:26:00,540 they'll say, "Yeah, I can get that data for you by tomorrow." 210 00:26:00,540 --> 00:26:03,160 And then you have to send Bitcoin. 211 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,540 Now, Bellingcat can't pay for that data because it's a foundation, 212 00:26:06,540 --> 00:26:09,240 so I have to pay for that data myself. 213 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,160 Over the last five years of me working on data journalism, 214 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,450 I would say I've spent $150,000. 215 00:26:16,450 --> 00:26:18,540 My wife has no idea about this. 216 00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:21,080 My wife suspects I've spent probably 2,000 or 3,000. 217 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,330 If she knew the real quantum, she wouldn't be my wife. 218 00:26:25,330 --> 00:26:28,580 So she's not watching the movie now? She's not watching this movie. 219 00:26:28,580 --> 00:26:31,450 I'm absolutely sure she's not watching this movie now. 220 00:26:59,950 --> 00:27:01,700 Wheeee! 221 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,580 Our expectation was, once he is released from intensive care, 222 00:27:08,580 --> 00:27:12,240 he will have a desire to go to Russia immediately. 223 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,620 To our great relief, he told me, 224 00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:19,240 "I better spend several months here. 225 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,660 "I want to go back to Russia strong and fully recovered." 226 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,450 For the longest time I wasn't sure what to make of Navalny. 227 00:27:54,450 --> 00:27:58,200 I had always wondered how much of an independent figure he is, or is 228 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:03,200 he one of the many fake opposition figures created by the Kremlin? 229 00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:08,700 I criticised him on Twitter. 230 00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:12,330 I mean, he was known for having flirted with the extreme right in 231 00:28:12,330 --> 00:28:14,200 the early days of his career. 232 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,700 He walked side-by-side with some pretty nasty nationalists 233 00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:21,080 and racists. Had he moved beyond that? 234 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,620 Had he actually become a reverse dark knight? 235 00:28:30,330 --> 00:28:32,410 APPLAUSE AND CHEERING 236 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:10,740 Within whole my career, I've been asked the same 15 questions all the time. 237 00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:14,370 Are you afraid? Are you working for Kremlin? 238 00:29:14,370 --> 00:29:18,370 What is your family doing? You have a responsibility for your family. 239 00:29:18,370 --> 00:29:21,540 When, if it is foreign journalists, 240 00:29:21,540 --> 00:29:24,660 they're asking about nationalism and Russian march. 241 00:29:24,660 --> 00:29:26,200 And every one of them, 242 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,160 just, Jesus Christ, just watch previous interviews. 243 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,700 Hold on, were there not a couple of sieg-heilers at that thing? Sorry? 244 00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:37,290 Were there not a couple of Nazi guys at that march? 245 00:29:37,290 --> 00:29:40,080 Certainly a sieg-heiler would be a different category that you 246 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,330 would not want to associate with or march beside. 247 00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:46,950 Well, in the normal world, in the normal political system, 248 00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:52,040 of course I would never be in the same political party with them, 249 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,990 but we are creating a coalition, 250 00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:57,330 broader coalition to fight a totalitarian regime, just to 251 00:29:57,330 --> 00:30:01,290 achieve the situation where everyone can participate in elections. 252 00:30:01,290 --> 00:30:03,580 A lot of politicians will be uncomfortable even 253 00:30:03,580 --> 00:30:06,660 associating or being in the same photograph with one of these guys. 254 00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:10,620 Are you comfortable with that? I'm OK with that 255 00:30:10,620 --> 00:30:14,410 and I consider it is my political superpower, 256 00:30:14,410 --> 00:30:16,580 I can talk to everyone. 257 00:30:16,580 --> 00:30:20,620 Anyway, well, they are citizens of Russian Federation 258 00:30:20,620 --> 00:30:25,540 and if I want to fight Putin, if I want to be leader of a country, 259 00:30:25,540 --> 00:30:28,660 I cannot just ignore the huge part of it. 260 00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:32,490 Well, there are a lot of people who call themselves nationalists. 261 00:30:32,490 --> 00:30:33,740 OK, let's discuss it. 262 00:30:33,740 --> 00:30:37,160 We are living in the country when they are poisoning politicians 263 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,740 and killing people and arresting people for nothing. 264 00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:48,910 So of course, I am totally fine to sit with the guy whose... 265 00:30:48,910 --> 00:30:54,830 whose rally looks kind of not very good for me. 266 00:31:12,740 --> 00:31:14,790 The Russian media didn't find anything 267 00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:17,830 and German investigators didn't have the jurisdiction. 268 00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:21,950 So we realised there's nobody who is going to actually actively investigate this... 269 00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:24,700 ..unless we jump into this. 270 00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:31,950 We knew that the poison was Novichok. 271 00:31:31,950 --> 00:31:34,740 And Novichok, we had proven in the previous investigation, 272 00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:37,330 is only manufactured in this facility 273 00:31:37,330 --> 00:31:39,870 called the Signal Institute. 274 00:31:39,870 --> 00:31:42,580 The Signal Institute in Moscow 275 00:31:42,580 --> 00:31:45,740 works under the guise of a R&D centre 276 00:31:45,740 --> 00:31:50,870 that develops advanced form of sports nutrition drinks. 277 00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:52,620 That's the legend. 278 00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:56,490 Yet they employ for this work 12 scientists 279 00:31:56,490 --> 00:32:00,660 whose only experience and background is in chemical weapons. 280 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,790 Our hypothesis - 281 00:32:03,790 --> 00:32:08,490 this is the entity that actually provides the poison for the killers 282 00:32:08,490 --> 00:32:11,160 who travel around the world poisoning people with Novichok. 283 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,740 So what we did is we bought from the Russian black market 284 00:32:15,740 --> 00:32:19,200 the phone records for the head of the Signal Institute. 285 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,950 We looked at numbers that only appear just before the poisoning 286 00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:27,290 of Navalny, and those were suspicious. 287 00:32:27,290 --> 00:32:29,290 But once we have a suspicious number, 288 00:32:29,290 --> 00:32:32,700 you go through a number of Russian apps that allow you to see 289 00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:36,410 how that phone number is listed in other people's phone books. 290 00:32:36,410 --> 00:32:39,370 So, for example, I put in my number 291 00:32:39,370 --> 00:32:42,580 and it will show up as Christo the journalist from Bellingcat. 292 00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:45,580 Because somebody would have put my name into their phone book 293 00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:48,370 and that description would have been shared into this app. 294 00:32:48,370 --> 00:32:51,240 First number I looked up showed up as Alexey, 295 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,370 doctor from FSB. 296 00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:56,450 Well, that was interesting. A doctor from FSB, Alexey? 297 00:32:56,450 --> 00:33:00,450 But that was not enough. We couldn't place a real person behind this name. 298 00:33:00,450 --> 00:33:02,740 Then I would look up if this number 299 00:33:02,740 --> 00:33:06,080 showed up in any car registration databases. 300 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,120 And we found out an actual Alexey Alexandrov, 301 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,990 who owns a car. 302 00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:14,830 And this number was listed for contacting that person. 303 00:33:14,830 --> 00:33:17,160 So then you have a real person with a birth date. 304 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,830 Then you look up his passport file, you see his face. 305 00:33:20,830 --> 00:33:24,290 You repeat that many times with the other suspicious numbers, 306 00:33:24,290 --> 00:33:27,080 and then you have a shortlist of interesting people. 307 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,040 And these became our prime suspects. 308 00:33:31,540 --> 00:33:34,370 Now, we knew when Navalny had travelled to Siberia. 309 00:33:34,370 --> 00:33:37,990 We had the actual passenger manifests of six different flights 310 00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:39,990 that had flown into Novosibirsk, 311 00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:42,040 where Navalny flew from Moscow, 312 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,160 on the day before, during and after 313 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,490 the day on which he arrived there. 314 00:33:46,490 --> 00:33:49,490 So we needed to see if any of those suspicious people 315 00:33:49,490 --> 00:33:53,040 travelled to Siberia at the time of the poisoning, 316 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,620 and we found an overlap. 317 00:33:56,620 --> 00:34:00,620 We found a nest of wasps we didn't know existed. 318 00:34:00,620 --> 00:34:05,080 It's a domestic assassination machine on an industrial scale. 319 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,490 I was absolutely shocked that this was so fast 320 00:34:08,490 --> 00:34:11,160 and the whole plot disentangled so quickly. 321 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,410 So I just reached out via Twitter and said, 322 00:34:13,410 --> 00:34:16,740 "Alexei, I think we may have found who poisoned you." 323 00:34:18,450 --> 00:34:20,700 CROWS CAW 324 00:34:21,790 --> 00:34:24,370 After I went out of the hospital, 325 00:34:24,370 --> 00:34:27,740 I decided to move to the Black Forest 326 00:34:27,740 --> 00:34:30,240 and live in some small village. 327 00:34:31,450 --> 00:34:36,200 You can just walk for hours and not meet any person at all. 328 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,540 These are my German friends. 329 00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:42,040 Actually, the little pony is my friend 330 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,580 and donkey is Yulia's friend. 331 00:34:44,580 --> 00:34:47,830 And this is the routine of our walk. 332 00:34:47,830 --> 00:34:50,240 Come here, my little pony. 333 00:34:52,700 --> 00:34:55,330 Isn't he sweet? Better than your donkey! 334 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,200 Come here. Everybody likes a small pony. It's, like, usual. 335 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,330 But donkeys... Come to me. 336 00:35:03,330 --> 00:35:06,160 You're scaring him. Go away. Go away. 337 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,540 Oh, my poor guy. 338 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,990 Donkey, hi. Of course you like me. 339 00:35:12,990 --> 00:35:15,370 Oh, come on. He doesn't see you. 340 00:35:15,370 --> 00:35:17,200 This is a very evil woman. 341 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,160 YULIA LAUGHS 342 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,120 Come on, my mighty horse, come here. 343 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,290 More carrots. You will grow big. 344 00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:27,740 They are cute, but they are not very smart, 345 00:35:27,740 --> 00:35:30,660 so they decided, for their fence, 346 00:35:30,660 --> 00:35:33,290 not to provide electricity. Stop doing it! 347 00:35:55,330 --> 00:35:56,620 Ah! 348 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,620 Yulia want an apple 349 00:36:00,620 --> 00:36:02,790 and asked me to take it. 350 00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:07,540 But it's Germany, so it's...it's someone's apple, 351 00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:09,290 and there is police over there. 352 00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:11,620 I'll come there when it would be dark. 353 00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:13,120 And no police. 354 00:36:14,290 --> 00:36:17,740 So, you're a Russian criminal who arrived to Germany? 355 00:36:17,740 --> 00:36:20,790 No. It's like, it's OK... 356 00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:23,330 It belongs to... I don't know. 357 00:36:23,330 --> 00:36:25,830 How do you know? How do you know that it belongs to a village? 358 00:36:25,830 --> 00:36:29,200 Because there's open place. There's not anything which... 359 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,080 This is a very Russian style, you know, 360 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,450 thinking about property like it belongs to everyone... 361 00:36:36,450 --> 00:36:38,870 THEY LAUGH ..because it's an open place. 362 00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:40,620 Just come and get it. 363 00:36:47,580 --> 00:36:52,160 The story of this guy who lives in Vienna but is Bulgarian, 364 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,240 but worked in Russia, and that he has all of his own money 365 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:58,160 and he spends it on investigating Russian crimes. 366 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,370 He just sounded too suspicious, 367 00:37:01,370 --> 00:37:05,540 too good to be true, too, er...capable. 368 00:37:05,540 --> 00:37:07,830 He sounded a bit, you know, made up. 369 00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:13,870 Are you confident that he is not MI6 or CIA? 370 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,660 I'm pretty confident. I wouldn't say that I rule it out, 371 00:37:17,660 --> 00:37:19,540 but I'm pretty confident that he's not. 372 00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:27,870 I was suspicious about this guy from Twitter. Ha-ha! 373 00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:32,290 I just saw his old laptop 374 00:37:32,290 --> 00:37:35,540 and all these tables with data. 375 00:37:37,950 --> 00:37:39,910 It turns out, and I was very surprised, 376 00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:42,620 that the whole thing about Bellingcat, 377 00:37:42,620 --> 00:37:44,410 it's just one smart guy. 378 00:37:44,410 --> 00:37:47,160 No CIA involved, no MI6. 379 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:53,410 He's just a...a nice and very kind Bulgarian nerd with a laptop. 380 00:38:22,990 --> 00:38:24,580 I will show you photographs. 381 00:38:24,580 --> 00:38:26,200 You will tell me if you recognise 382 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,120 any of the people in those photographs. 383 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,370 Getting through emotionally to Alexei was a piece of cake. 384 00:38:51,370 --> 00:38:53,370 Took literally an hour. 385 00:38:53,370 --> 00:38:55,410 Getting through to Maria took much longer. 386 00:38:56,540 --> 00:38:59,330 She was very tough, she never smiled. 387 00:38:59,330 --> 00:39:01,950 She was the one vetting me, whether I am a spy or not. 388 00:39:10,830 --> 00:39:14,740 But we needed the information that only his team would be privy to. 389 00:39:14,740 --> 00:39:17,450 So we found a very workable arrangement, 390 00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:20,160 which was completely ethical and acceptable to us. 391 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,990 We agreed that Maria Pevchikh would be working as part of our team, 392 00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:27,830 and she would not be sharing with Alexei all the information in real-time, 393 00:39:27,830 --> 00:39:32,160 so that we wouldn't be influenced by the bias of the victim. 394 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,490 When we discovered this clandestine operation, 395 00:40:14,490 --> 00:40:18,370 it was so shocking that even to us, it looked unbelievable. 396 00:40:18,370 --> 00:40:19,870 I mean, come on, 397 00:40:19,870 --> 00:40:23,910 the government is paying a whole team of 20-plus people 398 00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:25,950 whose only job is to poison other Russians? 399 00:40:25,950 --> 00:40:27,700 That sounds improbable. 400 00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:30,410 So we need other journalists to look at it. 401 00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:33,790 I would like to share the limelight with some global media 402 00:40:33,790 --> 00:40:36,790 so that it is validated by more than just us. Yeah, yeah. 403 00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:39,490 So CNN and Spiegel are fine with you? Yeah, absolutely. 404 00:40:39,490 --> 00:40:41,410 That means that we need to film 405 00:40:41,410 --> 00:40:44,580 exactly, like, a week from now, maybe, like... Yeah. 406 00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:02,120 We had a nightmare trying to get everybody to stick to the same time. 407 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,490 It's all timed for a simultaneous release. 408 00:41:04,490 --> 00:41:08,370 All the media journalists are going to drop the bombshell simultaneously. 409 00:41:08,370 --> 00:41:10,700 There's a huge debate as to whether this was intended 410 00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:13,330 to incapacitate or kill. 411 00:41:13,330 --> 00:41:17,870 Incapacitate or kill? Yeah. I would say kill. 100% kill. 412 00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:20,790 If, for example, Navalny had laundry returned to him 413 00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:23,910 while he was staying at the Tomsk Hotel the afternoon before he left, 414 00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:25,990 would that be a point of access? 415 00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:28,490 It's definitely a possibility. 416 00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:31,580 The question is how well he can dose the agent that way. 417 00:41:31,580 --> 00:41:34,740 You put, let's say, ten times the daily dose on the clothing, 418 00:41:34,740 --> 00:41:37,490 you must be sure, however, that at least one lethal dose 419 00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:39,160 gets into the body. 420 00:41:55,450 --> 00:41:58,370 Tomorrow, I will set up a phone with fake ID. 421 00:41:58,370 --> 00:42:01,620 So if we can call them through this number, we can try to... 422 00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:04,740 We pretend to be someone else. Yes, we can try to prank them. 423 00:42:04,740 --> 00:42:06,370 Yes, of course. 424 00:42:07,620 --> 00:42:10,740 Navalny will call personally these poisoners one by one, 425 00:42:10,740 --> 00:42:12,660 and we will record this. 426 00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:16,620 Hi, this is Navalny. You may remember me from trying to kill me. 427 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,910 It's so great to see you. Thanks very much for coming. 428 00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:38,200 Is it your contention 429 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,990 that Vladimir Putin must have been aware of this? 430 00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:43,790 Of course. 100%. 431 00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:46,540 It could have not happened without. 432 00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:03,950 Who's the most stupid? 433 00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:07,200 Most stupid of them? Yeah. Well, definitely... 434 00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:11,410 ..these are Spetsnaz guys with no real training. 435 00:43:11,410 --> 00:43:14,790 I think it makes sense to try to prank stupid guys. 436 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,740 And, er...and maybe this non-military guy. 437 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,120 When you were a kid, did you have any political awareness? 438 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,330 Was it a political family? Did your family talk about politics? 439 00:43:30,330 --> 00:43:35,330 Yes. Um...my...my family talks about politics all the time, 440 00:43:35,330 --> 00:43:39,580 and it was, er...er...very, er...er... 441 00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:45,080 They start to talk much more after Chernobyl disaster. 442 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:50,040 Because actually, my father and his family, they are from Chernobyl. 443 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,450 From the small village two kilometres away, 444 00:43:53,450 --> 00:43:57,160 I would say ten kilometres away from the nuclear station. 445 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,200 Everyone knows that there was an explosion of the nuclear station, 446 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,490 but news keeping silence. 447 00:44:03,490 --> 00:44:08,580 And so, all this nuclear and radioactive dust 448 00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:13,160 was on these fields and they were forced to go, er... 449 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,370 not to plant potatoes, 450 00:44:15,370 --> 00:44:20,330 just to prevent rumours, just to explain population 451 00:44:20,330 --> 00:44:22,200 that everything is fine, everything is OK. 452 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,160 Go and work in the fields. 453 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:29,540 And with the first appearance of Putin on the screen, er... 454 00:44:29,540 --> 00:44:31,080 I just felt it. 455 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,370 I have the same feeling. 456 00:44:33,370 --> 00:44:37,740 Like I'm watching TV and I'm watching political leader 457 00:44:37,740 --> 00:44:40,200 and he's looking into my eyes and lying to me. 458 00:44:45,540 --> 00:44:47,370 This is the biggest challenge for me. 459 00:44:47,370 --> 00:44:51,790 I tried to practise juggling for about a month. 460 00:44:51,790 --> 00:44:54,450 And because of coordination and balancing, 461 00:44:54,450 --> 00:44:56,990 because you need some balance here, it's... 462 00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:58,910 I'm very bad in it. 463 00:45:03,740 --> 00:45:05,410 One, two, three. 464 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,370 I think he wants to make sure this hits home in Russian media, 465 00:45:11,370 --> 00:45:13,870 and he thinks that's best done if he does it. 466 00:45:15,870 --> 00:45:20,490 So we're not being journalists reporting about some politician, 467 00:45:20,490 --> 00:45:22,620 but we're reporting about a politician 468 00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:26,660 who has his own YouTube show with over 30 million followers, 469 00:45:26,660 --> 00:45:29,370 and who considers himself half a journalist. 470 00:45:29,370 --> 00:45:30,830 Yeah, baby! Ah! 471 00:45:30,830 --> 00:45:32,620 APPLAUSE 472 00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:36,080 Yeah! Actually, the first time. You're lucky. 473 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,870 That's a very unusual situation and it doesn't make things easier. 474 00:45:40,540 --> 00:45:42,830 Mum, is this yours? No. 475 00:45:42,830 --> 00:45:44,410 LAUGHTER 476 00:45:46,490 --> 00:45:49,290 Hold my beer while I'm making a TikTok. 477 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,200 No, no, no, no. Just, er...the second one. 478 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,540 You're just, er...filming me and I'm asking, "How bizarre?" 479 00:45:57,540 --> 00:45:59,200 OK. OK. 480 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,540 MUSIC PLAYS # How bizarre... # 481 00:46:01,540 --> 00:46:02,870 Stop. Again. 482 00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:04,490 MUSIC PLAYS 483 00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:06,490 # How bizarre... # 484 00:46:06,490 --> 00:46:08,540 You should remove the second one. 485 00:46:08,540 --> 00:46:10,870 Oh, we can do that? Yes, of course. 486 00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:12,620 Oh! This is a, you know... 487 00:46:12,620 --> 00:46:15,660 I don't know how to...I don't... I don't know how to do that. 488 00:46:15,660 --> 00:46:17,790 Who's 19? You, apparently. 489 00:46:17,790 --> 00:46:19,740 # A smile from the past 490 00:46:19,740 --> 00:46:23,290 # Elephants and acrobats Lions, snakes, monkeys 491 00:46:23,290 --> 00:46:26,700 # Pele speaks righteous Sister Zina says funky 492 00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:29,240 # How bizarre 493 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:31,700 # How bizarre, how bizarre. # 494 00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:35,290 THEY LAUGH 495 00:46:35,290 --> 00:46:39,040 You know that Christo call it Moscow Four? 496 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,790 Er...you know what is Moscow Four? 497 00:46:41,790 --> 00:46:43,200 No. What is that? 498 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,540 Huh! 499 00:46:44,540 --> 00:46:48,540 Well, the email of the very top brass guy from intelligence 500 00:46:48,540 --> 00:46:50,580 was hacked several times, 501 00:46:50,580 --> 00:46:54,990 and his first password was Moscow One, and they hacked him. 502 00:46:54,990 --> 00:46:58,080 So his second password was Moscow Two, 503 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,740 and they hacked him as well. 504 00:47:00,740 --> 00:47:05,490 And so, the third time, he had password Moscow Three, 505 00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:09,740 and just guess what was his fourth password? 506 00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:16,660 So Moscow Four is the explanation of the stupidity of the system. 507 00:47:17,950 --> 00:47:19,990 Dasha? Mm? 508 00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:22,370 You take my phone 509 00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:26,080 and we'll be at the kitchen pretending you're... 510 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,330 Can I see...? ..General Bogdanov. 511 00:47:28,330 --> 00:47:29,790 I have no idea. 512 00:47:29,790 --> 00:47:32,540 INCOMING CALL 513 00:47:54,660 --> 00:47:56,830 OK, cool. Super. 514 00:47:56,830 --> 00:47:58,830 Super. 515 00:48:00,450 --> 00:48:03,040 Tomorrow, we will make these calls. 516 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,740 Honestly, I don't think it will work, 517 00:48:05,740 --> 00:48:08,160 because, well, FSB guys, 518 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,540 they're supposed to be resistant to pranks. 519 00:48:11,540 --> 00:48:13,990 Er...but Moscow Four. Moscow Four. 520 00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:18,450 Er...yes. And then, we're ready to push the button 521 00:48:18,450 --> 00:48:20,830 and everything will be published exactly at 12. 522 00:48:22,410 --> 00:48:25,990 And also, I will publish my TikTok I recorded today. 523 00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:28,290 THEY CHUCKLE Er... 524 00:48:28,290 --> 00:48:33,290 and we'll have a kind of 15 minutes of shame with it. 525 00:48:33,290 --> 00:48:34,740 THEY CHUCKLE 526 00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:37,910 OK, see you tomorrow. 527 00:48:39,450 --> 00:48:40,740 NAVALNY EXHALES 528 00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:04,290 HE SIGHS 529 00:49:05,660 --> 00:49:08,040 FAINT CHATTER 530 00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:19,450 Now I totally feel like I'm an undercover agent wired up. 531 00:49:19,450 --> 00:49:21,490 Are you not nervous? 532 00:49:21,490 --> 00:49:23,870 Sorry? Are you nervous? No. 533 00:49:23,870 --> 00:49:26,370 Please, come on! A little bit? 534 00:49:26,370 --> 00:49:28,580 PHONE RINGS OUT 535 00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:39,490 MAN ON PHONE: Hello? 536 00:49:58,490 --> 00:50:00,160 Hung up. 537 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,540 Oh, my God, you ruined their day! 538 00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:06,990 LAUGHS: Oh, it's not just the day, I guess! 539 00:50:09,290 --> 00:50:10,790 PHONE RINGS OUT 540 00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:13,240 MAN ON PHONE: Alexey. 541 00:50:34,490 --> 00:50:37,450 Hung up. Maybe try the prank way? 542 00:50:37,450 --> 00:50:39,200 OK. 543 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,120 PHONE RINGS OUT 544 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,410 MAN ON PHONE: Mikhail. 545 00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:37,080 Hung up. 546 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,410 That was a freaking scared guy. 547 00:51:40,410 --> 00:51:42,040 He recognised your voice. Yeah, yeah. 548 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,790 Muscle is not stupid. 549 00:51:43,790 --> 00:51:47,330 I really think a scientist might talk to you. 1% chance. 550 00:51:47,330 --> 00:51:50,450 OK, let's...let's... I-I... ..let's try to reach some scientists. 551 00:51:50,450 --> 00:51:52,370 Kudryavtsev more interesting? 552 00:51:53,790 --> 00:51:55,370 PHONE RINGS OUT 553 00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:23,290 Mm-hm. 554 00:57:38,490 --> 00:57:40,370 Mm-hm. 555 00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:18,330 Boom! Now we got everything! 556 00:58:18,330 --> 00:58:21,040 How could you do this? Yes. How could you do this?! Yes. 557 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,740 THEY MUTTER IN DISBELIEF 558 00:58:22,740 --> 00:58:24,950 Moscow Four. 559 00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:26,740 Oh, my fucking God! 560 00:58:26,740 --> 00:58:29,450 He's not a muscle, he's a chemist. 561 00:58:29,450 --> 00:58:31,120 He's a chemist? Yes. 562 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,200 He spilt the whole story. The whole story. 563 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,120 This...is unbelievable! 564 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,950 Poor guy. Poor guy? 565 00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:41,540 They will kill him. They will kill him. Literally. 566 00:58:41,540 --> 00:58:45,580 I think you'll be President, seriously, after this. 567 00:58:45,580 --> 00:58:47,700 No, no. I can't believe... I think after this... 568 00:58:47,700 --> 00:58:49,410 NAVALNY LAUGHS 569 00:58:49,410 --> 00:58:50,910 ..they will definitely kill me. 570 00:58:50,910 --> 00:58:52,080 Poor Kudryavtsev. 571 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,540 Poor Kudryavtsev. Poor Kudryavtsev, yes. 572 00:58:54,540 --> 00:58:55,950 He's a dead man. 573 00:58:55,950 --> 00:58:57,950 Let's offer him to defect. 574 00:58:57,950 --> 00:58:59,870 Let's arrange for him the whole thing. 575 00:58:59,870 --> 00:59:04,620 Seriously... Cos I think that's a humanitarian thing to do. 576 00:59:04,620 --> 00:59:06,620 He will be in a ditch by... 577 00:59:06,620 --> 00:59:08,660 No, they'll kill him. They'll just... No, no. 578 00:59:08,660 --> 00:59:10,580 They will kill him. They'll kill him. 579 00:59:10,580 --> 00:59:13,740 OK. Well, Spiegel have been begging me to call them since the morning. 580 00:59:13,740 --> 00:59:16,120 Can I tell them this already, confidentially? 581 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,290 Oh, let's just decide - are we going to publish this conversation? 582 00:59:19,290 --> 00:59:22,410 Yes. Because I think we should wait for a... 583 00:59:22,410 --> 00:59:25,240 Putin's press conference, at the very least. Sorry? 584 00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,450 To Putin's press conference, at the very least. Yes. 585 00:59:28,450 --> 00:59:31,790 It is on Thursday, or...? Thursday. The 17th. 586 01:00:29,490 --> 01:00:32,240 Christo, before pushing this button, I want to say 587 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,370 that was an amazing job. 588 01:00:35,580 --> 01:00:39,040 Thank you, everyone, for your contribution, guys. 589 01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,120 COMPUTER CHIMES Yeah! Yeah! 590 01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,330 High five. High five. 591 01:00:45,330 --> 01:00:49,290 OK. Good. Good, good, good, good, good. Let's go. 592 01:00:53,790 --> 01:00:56,870 REPORTER: Now an exclusive investigation can reveal 593 01:00:56,870 --> 01:01:00,580 a top-secret mission. An elite team of operatives has been 594 01:01:00,580 --> 01:01:04,830 tracking Navalny's every move for more than four years. 595 01:01:15,660 --> 01:01:19,200 Oh, thank you very much. It's an honour for me to be on such a big 596 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,580 television of Spain, and I'm very pleased that you are paying 597 01:01:22,580 --> 01:01:24,830 attention to this situation, so thank you very much. 598 01:01:24,830 --> 01:01:27,990 This scheme, which looks like it's from the movies, 599 01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:31,080 but in this particular case it's a real scheme with real people, 600 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,700 Putin on the very top. 601 01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:37,540 In mid-August, Navalny and his team travel to Siberia. 602 01:01:37,540 --> 01:01:41,200 At least five members of the FSB unit make the same 603 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,290 journey on different flights. 604 01:01:43,290 --> 01:01:44,990 Well, they can't be tailing him now, 605 01:01:44,990 --> 01:01:48,370 but of course I'm sure they're trying to. 606 01:01:48,370 --> 01:01:51,120 Thank you. Thank you very much. 607 01:01:52,450 --> 01:01:55,740 Back in Tomsk, there was a surge in communication 608 01:01:55,740 --> 01:01:58,660 among the FSB unit and their bosses. 609 01:01:58,660 --> 01:02:02,370 If it was expected that Navalny would die on the flight, 610 01:02:02,370 --> 01:02:06,580 they were now scrambling to deal with a very different situation. 611 01:02:06,580 --> 01:02:08,700 We enter a run-down apartment building 612 01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:10,620 on the outskirts of Moscow, 613 01:02:10,620 --> 01:02:13,080 where operative Oleg Tayakin lives. 614 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,410 My name's Clarissa Ward. I work for CNN. 615 01:02:19,410 --> 01:02:22,040 Can I ask you a couple of questions? 616 01:02:27,790 --> 01:02:31,540 Was it your team that poisoned Navalny? 617 01:02:31,540 --> 01:02:34,370 So, you've said that you want to go back to Russia. 618 01:02:34,370 --> 01:02:37,950 You're aware of the risks of going back. Definitely. 619 01:02:37,950 --> 01:02:42,200 Why do you want to go back? I don't want these, you know, 620 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,910 groups of killers exist in Russia. I don't want Putin being President. 621 01:02:46,910 --> 01:02:49,330 I don't want him being Tsar of Russia. 622 01:02:49,330 --> 01:02:51,740 I want to go back and try to change it. 623 01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:56,040 That was a fantastic piece. Yeah. 624 01:03:00,740 --> 01:03:03,120 For the team. 625 01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,990 ALL: Cheers. 626 01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:41,040 "He opens his mouth with American songs"! On TikTok! By the way... 627 01:03:51,580 --> 01:03:55,990 Their line... Their line is crazy stuff, yeah? Crazy stuff. 628 01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:57,910 Crazy, funny stuff, like... 629 01:03:57,910 --> 01:03:59,580 Who's he? 630 01:04:04,620 --> 01:04:07,200 Think about it. They're talking about this all the time. Yes! 631 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,950 They're talking about you, and their version, it's, "Ha-ha-ha, 632 01:04:09,950 --> 01:04:13,910 "this is very funny." But the main point is they have the problem, 633 01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:17,370 otherwise they would not launch it. Right. Because it's cross-channel. 634 01:04:17,370 --> 01:04:19,410 They allowed the state number-one channel, 635 01:04:19,410 --> 01:04:22,990 that has never mentioned his name, to only talk about him now. Yeah. 636 01:04:22,990 --> 01:04:25,330 You're absolutely right. This is the main point. 637 01:04:25,330 --> 01:04:28,200 It's not affordable for them to keep silent. 638 01:05:30,790 --> 01:05:33,490 QUIET CONVERSATION 639 01:05:39,870 --> 01:05:44,620 She plays chess. Chess. Better than all others in our family. 640 01:05:44,620 --> 01:05:47,080 Better than everyone in our family. 641 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:51,370 And because of this series, Queen's Gambit, 642 01:05:51,370 --> 01:05:55,870 she's demanding that everyone should play chess. 643 01:05:55,870 --> 01:05:59,740 But nobody's playing. That's why I'm playing with the phone. 644 01:05:59,740 --> 01:06:03,540 But I definitely prefer Call Of Duty. I definitely prefer chess. 645 01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:06,990 I prefer shopping. 646 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,490 MACHINE HUMS 647 01:06:36,830 --> 01:06:38,910 Ready for a 12-hour flight. 648 01:06:42,330 --> 01:06:44,660 We have to sit down for good luck. 649 01:06:50,410 --> 01:06:51,830 Da. 650 01:07:09,700 --> 01:07:15,870 Starting from 13 years old, I would think about what would I do 651 01:07:15,870 --> 01:07:18,370 if my dad was killed. 652 01:07:19,950 --> 01:07:23,370 Whenever I had, like, THE talk, you know, 653 01:07:23,370 --> 01:07:27,870 it's not anything that you can, like, sit at the table and discuss. 654 01:07:30,370 --> 01:07:33,490 So, it's a nice opportunity for you, Dasha, to see the snow, 655 01:07:33,490 --> 01:07:36,700 so much snow, before you go to LA, right? 656 01:07:36,700 --> 01:07:39,580 There's snow in California. 657 01:07:39,580 --> 01:07:45,160 There was a point a year ago where my dad was almost not there 658 01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:49,740 for my high-school graduation. He was in jail once again. 659 01:07:49,740 --> 01:07:55,330 And, like, the whole day I was just thinking about how my dad 660 01:07:55,330 --> 01:07:57,700 would have been... I'm sorry. 661 01:07:57,700 --> 01:08:01,620 ..my dad would have been proud to see me walk on the stage 662 01:08:01,620 --> 01:08:07,370 and get my certificate. And he wouldn't get that option, 663 01:08:07,370 --> 01:08:10,740 because he was in jail for doing the right thing. 664 01:08:17,660 --> 01:08:20,830 I know that my dad misses Russia... 665 01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:25,370 ..even though it's scary to go back. 666 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,490 And if he didn't go back, 667 01:08:33,490 --> 01:08:36,490 I would say, "You need to go back and fight." 668 01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,540 It's something worth fighting for. 669 01:09:24,370 --> 01:09:26,700 CAMERAS CLICK 670 01:10:23,950 --> 01:10:28,290 His favourite ultimate answer for everything - "It's CIA." 671 01:11:03,450 --> 01:11:08,370 Of course. Because this is just an amazing pass to us. 672 01:11:08,370 --> 01:11:11,410 Now we have a ball, because he said, like, 673 01:11:11,410 --> 01:11:16,330 "Well, if we want to poison him, of course we would have poisoned him." 674 01:11:16,330 --> 01:11:17,490 So... 675 01:11:17,490 --> 01:11:21,700 Just... We will, I mean, the whole argumentation, 676 01:11:21,700 --> 01:11:24,790 we will smash it with Kudryavtsev. 677 01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:41,990 That was my defence. 678 01:11:43,700 --> 01:11:46,160 I'm just very curious how people will react to it, 679 01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,580 whether they will be as astonished as we are. 680 01:11:48,580 --> 01:11:52,410 Hopefully will be, because nothing like that's ever happened to anyone. 681 01:12:14,700 --> 01:12:17,910 Well, it's totally unbelievable. 682 01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:22,040 I would never believe it if I wasn't part of it! 683 01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:23,620 Three hundred... 684 01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:30,950 300,000 views for 20 minutes. 685 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,080 One hour later, one million views. 686 01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:50,790 Georg? 687 01:12:51,740 --> 01:12:54,700 Maria? Cool! 688 01:12:54,700 --> 01:12:57,450 The poisoning of Russian dissident Alexei Navalny has taken 689 01:12:57,450 --> 01:12:59,200 an even more bizarre turn. 690 01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,910 If this was a Hollywood movie, you would say it was over the top. 691 01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:04,290 But this is not. This is real. 692 01:13:04,290 --> 01:13:06,990 And, boy, does this conversation punch a giant hole 693 01:13:06,990 --> 01:13:09,330 in the Kremlin's narrative. 694 01:13:09,330 --> 01:13:13,160 Surely this is hugely embarrassing for the Kremlin and for the FSB. 695 01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:14,370 Oh, absolutely. 696 01:13:14,370 --> 01:13:16,620 It's embarrassing for Mr Kudryavtsev, 697 01:13:16,620 --> 01:13:19,660 it's embarrassing for the FSB, it's embarrassing for the Kremlin. 698 01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,740 The FSB has said that a video of the conversation posted on 699 01:13:24,740 --> 01:13:28,160 Navalny's YouTube channel was fake and that the phone call 700 01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:31,620 was a provocation aimed at discrediting the agency. 701 01:13:31,620 --> 01:13:35,790 Navalny is suffering from delusion of persecution. 702 01:13:35,790 --> 01:13:39,490 Otherwise, there's a Freudian fixation on his own crotch area. 703 01:13:39,490 --> 01:13:42,120 This is probably how all this should be treated. 704 01:14:13,290 --> 01:14:17,290 How is President Navalny different from President Putin? 705 01:14:18,490 --> 01:14:24,240 Well, my major task as a president, just to prevent, you know, 706 01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:29,580 this damn circle of re-establish of authoritarian regime. 707 01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:36,080 In authoritarian country, you're pro authoritarian leader or 708 01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,330 you are against authoritarian leader. 709 01:14:39,370 --> 01:14:43,620 So we are in more primitive politics, like human rights, 710 01:14:43,620 --> 01:14:46,160 freedom of speech, fair election. 711 01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:54,450 The power and money, tax money, they're supposed to belong to 712 01:14:54,450 --> 01:14:56,490 the local communities, and in Russia, 713 01:14:56,490 --> 01:14:58,370 everything decided in Moscow. 714 01:14:58,370 --> 01:15:01,740 So being a president, I just have this, you know, 715 01:15:01,740 --> 01:15:07,620 big pie of my power, and I will cut it for the future of Russia. 716 01:16:17,740 --> 01:16:20,290 VOICES NEARBY 717 01:17:01,490 --> 01:17:04,240 I apologise. I'm sorry, for the record. 718 01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,990 I just five minutes ago told Daniel 719 01:17:06,990 --> 01:17:09,580 to get the fuck out of here with his camera. 720 01:17:09,580 --> 01:17:14,330 So, like, I apologise for that, because, well, it's... 721 01:17:14,330 --> 01:17:16,660 Everything is, like... 722 01:17:16,660 --> 01:17:19,450 Everything is happening in the last ten minutes, 723 01:17:19,450 --> 01:17:22,790 and I have to make, like, millions of emails. 724 01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:25,120 Have a seat. Maria, have a seat. 725 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,540 Just put your things in the office. Sorry. 726 01:17:43,490 --> 01:17:45,580 Ha-ha-ha-ha... 727 01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:00,950 Sorry, you have to sit. 728 01:18:00,950 --> 01:18:03,240 It's a Russian superstition, but it's important. 729 01:21:14,410 --> 01:21:16,620 WOMAN SCREAMS 730 01:21:38,910 --> 01:21:41,540 The entire, wide police just tried arresting everybody, 731 01:21:41,540 --> 01:21:45,580 including journalists live on the air. This is crazy. 732 01:21:46,660 --> 01:21:49,200 Jesus! Jesus! 733 01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,330 I've never seen anything like this. 734 01:21:51,330 --> 01:21:53,240 MAN CRIES OUT 735 01:21:58,660 --> 01:22:01,040 There's no way they're not going to arrest him. 736 01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,790 I don't think that they will let him come out to the front. 737 01:22:03,790 --> 01:22:06,160 I think they're going to yank him away 738 01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,830 before anybody else is let off the plane. 739 01:22:43,580 --> 01:22:46,990 This is the plane. This is Moscow. 740 01:22:46,990 --> 01:22:50,370 And this is the plane. And this is Moscow. 741 01:23:08,740 --> 01:23:11,290 CAPTAIN: Thank you for your co-operation. 742 01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:17,790 LAUGHTER 743 01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:39,290 It's a hot potato. Really. I mean... 744 01:23:39,290 --> 01:23:42,410 They realised that it's not possible to control the crowd. 745 01:23:43,490 --> 01:23:45,410 And they chickened out. 746 01:23:46,410 --> 01:23:48,490 SHOUTING AND CHANTING 747 01:23:52,990 --> 01:23:55,490 CHANTING CONTINUES 748 01:23:57,410 --> 01:23:58,990 SHOUTING 749 01:23:58,990 --> 01:24:00,990 CAR HORN BLARES 750 01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:05,490 HORNS BLARE 751 01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,290 Navalny! 752 01:27:46,330 --> 01:27:48,410 LAWYER'S VOICE FADES OUT 753 01:29:00,290 --> 01:29:02,160 APPLAUSE 754 01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,490 CHANTING: Yulia! Yulia! Yulia! 755 01:29:39,450 --> 01:29:41,660 CAR DOOR CLOSES 756 01:29:41,660 --> 01:29:44,450 MAN: Yulia! Yulia! 757 01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:31,620 CHANTING: Navalny! Navalny! Navalny! 758 01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:57,700 SHOUTING 759 01:32:58,910 --> 01:33:00,990 MAN SHOUTS 760 01:33:03,580 --> 01:33:06,120 CROWD SHOUTS 761 01:33:11,870 --> 01:33:15,080 CHANTING: Navalny! Navalny! 762 01:34:28,830 --> 01:34:32,370 Alexei, if you are arrested and thrown in prison, 763 01:34:32,370 --> 01:34:35,160 or the unthinkable happens and you're killed, 764 01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:38,120 what message do you leave behind to the Russian people? 765 01:34:39,450 --> 01:34:42,660 Erm... My message... 766 01:34:44,870 --> 01:34:49,790 ..for the situation that I am killed is very simple. 767 01:34:49,790 --> 01:34:51,790 Not give up. 768 01:34:51,790 --> 01:34:54,870 Do me a favour, answer this one in Russian. 769 01:34:56,700 --> 01:34:58,410 Um...