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I was the roots of a tree
and I was underground

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and I was connecting with
everything out there.

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Wow. Goodness me.

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I flew into my body
and I was just looking around

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this beautiful cathedral.

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Everything just looked, like, alive,

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which is the opposite to how I felt
about everything.

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In 2019,
a pioneering drugs trial began.

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I felt trapped and then I flew
high up into the sky,

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and it was just this kind
of beautiful moment

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of feeling...feeling free.

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HE LAUGHS

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A radical new treatment
for depression.

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So when you're ready,
climb on board.

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Depression is the leading
cause of disability in adults

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in the Western world, more than
cancer, more than heart disease.

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A significant number of sufferers

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report no benefit
from antidepressants.

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Now a team of British researchers
are convinced psychedelics

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could be the answer.

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Why did it take so long
to do this research?

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Because these drugs are illegal.

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For the first time,
a leading antidepressant

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will be pitted head-to-head

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against one of the oldest drugs
known to man...

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Here are the capsules.

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..magic mushrooms.

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There is huge potential

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and there is also huge risk,
but it is very exciting

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that something that grows
in the ground can do this.

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Synthesised from a Mexican mushroom
over 60 years ago,

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psilocybin is a Class A
hallucinogenic drug.

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Supplying it can get you
a life sentence.

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Only very few people are allowed
access to the pharmacy,

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so it's very secure.

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Will just two single doses
of psilocybin

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alongside intense psychotherapy

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give new hope to people suffering
from depression?

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I didn't know what was
going to unfold.

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Wow. Crikey.

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I just embraced it.

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HE LAUGHS

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I'd been subatomically picked apart.

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THEY LAUGH

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I was just looking around
like, "Wow!"

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That was extraordinary.

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Why am I doing this?

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Why do I want to make myself
a guinea pig?

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When you're ready...

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If psychedelics can
change the world,

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let's put it to the test.

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See you on the other side.

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I have something very special here
you might not have tasted before.

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They're mulberries.

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All right, aren't they?

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Yeah, they're good, actually.
Oh, that's so yummy.

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I've given a lot of drugs
to human beings.

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I've probably given more different
kinds of drugs to human beings

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probably than anyone alive,
or ever, maybe.

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In fact, almost every class of drug
that we know of

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that affects the brain I have
studied over the last 40 years...

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There. Go on, son! There it is!

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Quick! Go! Good boy!

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..and that gives you insights into
how you might then develop a therapy

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to deal with a disorder
like depression.

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Not that ball, this ball.

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In January 2008, Professor
David Nutt was appointed

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to oversee the Government's Advisory
Council on the Misuse of Drugs.

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NEWS: ..Professor Nutt,

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who's an expert in the effect
of drugs on brains...

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A year later, he was sacked.

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He has been sacked after insisting

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that alcohol and cigarettes
are more dangerous

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than cannabis and ecstasy.

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The Home Secretary, Alan Johnson,
said he no longer had confidence

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in the advice being given
by Professor David Nutt.

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I had to go anyway because I just
couldn't bear to mislead the public.

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They wanted me to support
their policies

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and their policies were so wrong.

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So, no, I couldn't do it.

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Since then, David has continued
to campaign

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for an evidence-based approach
to drugs policy,

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and the current trial is his most
ambitious to date.

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So the trial is a comparison of two
potential treatments of depression.

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One is an established treatment.

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It's called escitalopram.

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That's the latest and probably
the most powerful of what we call

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the SSRIs - selective serotonin
reuptake inhibitors.

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And they are the sort of mainstay

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of modern first-line
treatment of depression.

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What we're doing is, we're looking
to see how psilocybin as a treatment

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for depression compares
with this gold standard.

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So, the lead scientist is Robin.

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Come up through the ranks,
PhD student,

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and now he's running the
psychedelic centre in Imperial.

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What defines us is our focus
on psychedelic phenomena,

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and the depression trial
is the most ambitious trial

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that we've ever attempted.

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It's very much our flagship study.

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Then we have a lead therapist,
who's Ros Watts.

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Ros is now training
other psychologists.

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She's a clinical psychologist.

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I don't even think there is a title,
actually, for what I do yet.

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So I guess I am a kind of prototype
psychedelic therapist,

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but it's quite new, so...

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Yes, there aren't many
of us around.

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If we can pull it off, then it
really does bring psilocybin

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into the treatment arena
as something to be considered.

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If the trial turns out to be
positive, that could open up a door

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to a revolution in the treatment
of depression.

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HE EXHALES

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DIRECTOR: Cool. So nice and relaxed.
No pressure. Cool.

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It's a small sample size
for a clinical trial -

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59 carefully screened people
with long-term depression

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have been recruited
for this radical new

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double-blind drugs trial.

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I've had depression right
from the start.

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It came and went like the weather,

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and I seem to have no control
over it and no understanding of it.

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It's an all-consuming blackness that
just sits on top of you

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and you can't talk
yourself out of it.

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Over a six-week period,
the participants will be split

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into two groups. No-one will know
who is on which treatment,

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not even the clinicians.

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The first group will receive
two high doses of psilocybin

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three weeks apart, and take home
a course of pills

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that look like antidepressants
but are just placebos.

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The escitalopram group receives
two placebo doses of psilocybin

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and a six-week course of
the antidepressant.

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Strict medical and therapeutic
protocols are in place to ensure

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the safety of all the participants.

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Go on!

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Hey. Good girl.

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Steve has lived with
depression for 25 years.

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I was first diagnosed shortly
after I divorced.

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And it hit me pretty hard,

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and I had to try and come to terms
with it in my own way.

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In 2000, he made the difficult
decision to leave South Africa

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when his ex-wife relocated
to the UK

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with their two young daughters.

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I didn't have a choice, really.

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I had to draw a line under what I
was doing and come over myself.

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I'd run out of money. Literally,
I had no more rent money.

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Things were so bad at times

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that I found it hard to put
a foot out of bed

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in the morning.
That's where I found myself.

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Do dogs like bean pods?

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These dogs, not so much.

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Now, 16 years into his
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he's still battling with depression.

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One feature of Steve that I've
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he very rarely smiles...

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If you've got a fresh one,

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you can twist it.

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That looks a bit dodgy.

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..and when Steve gets
really stressed,

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he gets angry with people,
including me...

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Do you want to get some bread?
Mm-hm.

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..and is very difficult
to live with as well,

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because it's as if nothing matters.

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It's hot.

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And when he's in that state...

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You can. I'm hungry.

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..it's very difficult for him
to step away from it.

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A traumatic experience can lead
to negative ruminative thoughts

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that go round and round,
becoming all-consuming.

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People are internally focused
on themselves and they're chewing

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over certain repetitive
thoughts, like,

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"I'm worthless, there's no hope,
it's all pointless."

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What time are you going off?

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Early.

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Like, I've got to be...
I've got to be...

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Because I'm insular,
I tend to close up.

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Perhaps I'm at fault here,
but I don't share a lot of it

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with her or anyone else.

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Steve was on antidepressants
for over a decade.

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Now he's looking for
an alternative.

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I had to find a way out.

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I've got to find a different
way of living with

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this feeling of joylessness.

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THEME MUSIC AND APPLAUSE

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Hello and good morning.

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Are you feeling depressed? Suicidal?

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Well, this pill could solve
all of your problems.

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It's called Prozac, and it may mean
the end of depression as we know it.

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Launched in 1988,

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the first successful SSRI
was Prozac.

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By 2005, 54 million people had
taken it worldwide.

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I can cope with the kids.

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I can cope with family life.

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I hold down quite a good job.

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Now over seven million people take
antidepressants in England

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every day, but they can have
unpleasant side-effects,

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and a significant number
of sufferers don't respond

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to the medication.

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I've been on and off antidepressants
for years.

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They've usually had quite a few
side-effects.

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I felt kind of quite numb

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and I wasn't able to really
fully explore my emotions.

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And in the end, I decided to come
off them because it wasn't helping.

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As a clinical psychologist, I guess
I saw more people

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who found SSRIs helpful.

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I'm very, very glad they exist,
but I think we've probably maybe

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just overprescribed them.

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Ali, a paediatric nurse,
has been on antidepressants

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for 12 years.

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The side-effects are awful.

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I put on, like, five stone
in the year and a half.

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I had awful nightmares,
sleep paralysis, horrible itching.

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It always brought more problems.

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Psychedelic drugs were not something
she had ever considered.

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I knew a couple of people had taken
magic mushrooms

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and they said it was a bit odd.

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So, yeah, it was not something
I've ever been near

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or was intending to go near, ever.

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Five years ago, Ali's depression
took a turn for the worse,

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and then her best friend Laura
took her own life.

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We had a lot of laughs,
a lot of fun.

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But we also really understood
each other.

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The last five, six years
have been just

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concentrating on staying alive,
really, I guess.

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She's been off work for ten months.

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I didn't think I could
concentrate enough.

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And I obviously wouldn't want to
put patients' safety at risk.

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The drug trial represents
a lifeline for Ali.

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I thought I would try it
and give it a go.

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I'd kind of come to the sort
of realisation that

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if it didn't work then I probably
would end my life.

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All the participants have to stop
their current medication six weeks

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before beginning on the trial.

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This is only ever done under expert
medical supervision.

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The first day is preparation only.
No drugs.

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If you have any uncomfortable
sensations in your body,

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don't try to distract or avoid.

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They are taken on
a guided visualisation

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to mentally prepare
them for a psilocybin trip.

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Instead, try to really feel them.

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They're messages from your body
that want to be heard...

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It uses the analogy of a
psilocybin experience

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being like a deep-sea dive.

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..and you have a torch. Shine your
light on the murkier places.

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So the idea of diving down into
those deep waters

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and how dark and murky it can be...

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Explore everywhere.

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..because people just don't have
any frame of reference.

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They have no idea what to expect.

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I tried to pretend
I was really cool about it...

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THEY LAUGH

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..but I always felt
pretty terrified, actually.

250
00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,840
I thought, "I can't do this.
I really can't do this."

251
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If, tomorrow, you don't want to do
it, that is totally fine.

252
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The next day is dosing day.

253
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Neither the participants
nor the therapists

254
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know if they're getting
a placebo or the full dose

255
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of the Class A hallucinogenic drug.

256
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Trial manager Bruna Giribaldi
is responsible for delivering

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the drugs to the clinicians.

258
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Because we're working with
an illegal drug,

259
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this place is very secure.

260
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Only very few people
are allowed access

261
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to the pharmacy where it's stored.

262
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We also need authorisation
from the Home Office.

263
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It took Bruna two years to get
authorisation for this drug trial.

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Everyone in the study is blinded.

265
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In order to maintain this blind,
every capsule and then every bottle

266
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containing the capsules
looks identical,

267
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regardless of what's inside them.

268
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It's quite a special process for me.

269
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When I hold the bottles,

270
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I just think in my head how much
suffering they're going through

271
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right now and how much
potential this has to help them.

272
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Ros brought the capsules
in in a little bowl,

273
00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,200
and I just held the bowl for ages,

274
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staring at them, thinking, "I don't
know if I want to do this."

275
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Ros and a team of therapists and
psychiatrists conducting the trial

276
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ensure all the participants are
carefully supervised at all times.

277
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These drugs are not free
of unwanted effects.

278
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The one that's most concerning is
that you might trigger

279
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a psychotic reaction in
someone predisposed.

280
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So we exclude anyone who's ever
been psychotic,

281
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or anyone who has a close family
relative who's got psychosis.

282
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Amazing.

283
00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,720
After I took them, we just talked
for a while and looked through

284
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some books, and talked rubbish
for a little while, I think.

285
00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,400
And then I started to feel
a bit odd.

286
00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,680
Typically, it takes around
half an hour for the psilocybin

287
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to start having an effect.

288
00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,840
I was getting a lot of weird,
like, tingling sensations.

289
00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,200
And that was when I realised,
"Oh, crap.

290
00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,680
"I think this might be a
bit strong!"

291
00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,800
Go with the music. Go with
wherever it takes you.

292
00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,520
So I kind of had to steel myself
a little bit and remember everything

293
00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,120
that Ros had told me -
like, you have to really commit

294
00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,160
and dive into it.

295
00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,200
I was still aware of my body
at that point, so I knew,

296
00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,800
logically, I was safe, so I just had
to kind of go for it.

297
00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,520
And then as soon as I did, that was
when it all just went a bit mad.

298
00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,280
I flew into my body.

299
00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,520
I was just looking around
this beautiful cathedral.

300
00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,320
I was just looking
around like, "Wow!"

301
00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,160
It was just this really beautiful
feeling, like, "Oh, I'm fine."

302
00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,200
I think that was when I felt
welcomed by it

303
00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,880
rather than scared of it.

304
00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,960
Once it's absorbed by the body,
the psychedelics' effect is fast.

305
00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,600
Psychedelics work on the 2A
receptor, which is in the cortex.

306
00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,600
When you stimulate that receptor,
the brain goes into the psychedelic

307
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state instantly, and that state,
we believe, allows people

308
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to overcome their depression
by reframing their relationship

309
00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,320
with the current stress
and past stressors.

310
00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,240
The 2A receptors promote plasticity
and learning in the brain,

311
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and when stimulated by psilocybin
are believed to disrupt

312
00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,800
the negative ruminative thought
patterns associated with depression.

313
00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,640
The psychedelics turn that button
on very strongly, and that turns

314
00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,840
on plasticity very strongly.

315
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,720
To increase plasticity is to say,
in a sense, I CAN be changed.

316
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,240
Yeah, I could really breathe
and really feel space around me

317
00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,960
whereas I'd felt really crushed,
I think, for a long time.

318
00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,920
PULSING

319
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,840
And my heartbeat was really loud
in my ears, and then it just got

320
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,200
quieter and quieter really slowly.

321
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,040
And my breathing just... I kind
of didn't feel like I was breathing,

322
00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,200
but I didn't feel like I needed
to breathe,

323
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,920
I just felt really peaceful.

324
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,120
I felt like myself

325
00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:26,480
and I was kind of...

326
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,760
I was really happy to be myself

327
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,760
and be there.

328
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,160
Just a really incredible feeling.

329
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,600
Where you're working towards is
like a parting of the clouds

330
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,360
in some way.

331
00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:44,480
Everything just looked alive,
I guess,

332
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,240
and colourful and interesting,

333
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,120
which is kind of the opposite of how
I felt about everything.

334
00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:52,560
Everything felt pointless when
I was depressed

335
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,360
so it was a real switch,
like, instant switch.

336
00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,480
The next day, participants come
in for an integration session

337
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,360
where they work
through their experience

338
00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:05,400
with a highly trained therapist.

339
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,240
These sessions play a fundamental
role in the treatment.

340
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,800
The more you thought everything's
going to be OK,

341
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,400
the more it actually did
get OK? Yes...

342
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,120
The psilocybin session is opening
a door to something

343
00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:20,160
and the integration session is
everything that comes after that

344
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,840
to help somebody create some meaning

345
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,480
from what they saw
when that door was opened

346
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,080
and bring it back to their lives.

347
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,800
The way it changed how I felt was
a lot stronger than I'd anticipated.

348
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,520
It's different to anything I can
imagine being able to experience.

349
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,680
Yeah, just, yeah... Mad.

350
00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:53,680
I would consider most medical
treatments for depression

351
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,920
as managing the symptoms
of depression as best they can.

352
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,680
And then I would see psilocybin
therapy as more about

353
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,240
opening people up so they
can receive

354
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,520
much, much more from the world.

355
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,800
When I caught the bus
on the way home,

356
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,040
I had, like, a protective bubble
around me.

357
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,680
I was stood at the bus
stop thinking,

358
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,840
"I don't feel really
anxious. This is really weird,"

359
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,520
cos usually I would be worrying

360
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,240
about how I'm standing or just
really overanalysing everything.

361
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,040
And I just thought
"I just feel really relaxed.

362
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,440
"This is so weird."

363
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,360
A lot of people watching
this programme might say,

364
00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:39,520
"Why have we only just started
studying these drugs as therapies?"

365
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,080
That's a very pertinent question,
because in the 1950s and '60s,

366
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,240
psilocybin was a medicine,
as was LSD, interestingly enough.

367
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,960
Among these drugs,
the hallucinogens,

368
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,440
are included mescaline,

369
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,920
a chemical taken from
the peyote cactus,

370
00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,720
psilocybin, extracted from a
variety of Mexican mushroom,

371
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,960
DMT, synthesised from
the compound tryptamine...

372
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,520
..and of course, LSD 25...

373
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,560
The National Institute of Health
in America

374
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:18,400
funded 130 or more
trials of psychedelics.

375
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,440
40,000 patients,

376
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,920
1,000 publications. And overall,

377
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,920
the results were very positive.

378
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,200
We gave them a larger
dose individually,

379
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:36,880
and have each one of them cared
for by one of these teams.

380
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,920
If you use them right,

381
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,560
if you use them in a situation

382
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,520
with trained therapists guiding
people through their experiences,

383
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,400
the outcomes are very,
very positive.

384
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,640
We bring these men back

385
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,880
every four months for three days,

386
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,200
and this follow-up
is quite important.

387
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,680
Psychedelic drugs were not just used
for medical research in the 1960s...

388
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,520
Turn on...

389
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,640
..tune in...drop out.

390
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,400
..they were also enjoyed
for pleasure.

391
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,120
But for some, it can be terrifying.

392
00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:21,760
It's like everything
is falling apart.

393
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:27,040
No matter which way I was facing,
it was just real frightening.

394
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,320
By the late '60s, in some sections
of society,

395
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:35,960
moral outrage against recreational
drug use had reached fever pitch.

396
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:41,440
America's public enemy number one
in the United States is drug abuse.

397
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,280
In 1971, President Nixon made
81 substances, including psilocybin,

398
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,400
illegal in the US.

399
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,880
The United Nations Convention
on Psychotropic Drugs soon followed,

400
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,760
and by the 1980s, the war
on drugs was at full throttle.

401
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,600
We're after you.

402
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,640
The pursuit will be relentless.

403
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,560
Relentless.

404
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,880
The effort will get greater
and greater

405
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,720
until we've beaten you.

406
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,960
Medical research became
prohibitively expensive.

407
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,600
Psychedelics were collateral
in the war on drugs,

408
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,400
and the criminalization and
the banning of psychedelics

409
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,440
is the worst censorship
of research -

410
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,520
not just medical research,
of research -

411
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,880
in the history of the world.

412
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,000
It took half a century for
medical research into psychedelics

413
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,680
to restart in earnest, with
Robin Carhart-Harris and David Nutt

414
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,320
leading the charge in the UK.

415
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:41,520
In 2012, Robin and David completed

416
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,840
a ground-breaking brain
imaging study

417
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,480
into the effects of psilocybin.

418
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,320
They revealed that psilocybin also
disrupts parts of the brain

419
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,560
known as the default mode network.

420
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,920
The reason we started researching
psilocybin in people with depression

421
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,800
was because we had done
the brain imaging studies,

422
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,600
because we had shown
that psilocybin disrupts

423
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,880
the parts of the brain that
cause depression.

424
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,920
This default mode network does
the most abstract of functioning.

425
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,560
So, things like our ability

426
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,640
to have a sense of self,
a personal narrative -

427
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,720
"This is me, I can imagine
the future" -

428
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,960
but it's most active
when we daydream.

429
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,800
They could have called
it the daydream network, in a way.

430
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,600
In depressed people,
daydreaming can be

431
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,520
very negatively focused
and damaging.

432
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,120
People come in with a very strong
default mode network,

433
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:46,040
which is very rigid,
it's very entrenched.

434
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,640
What psychedelics do,
by deactivating the sense of self,

435
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,800
they enable people
to connect to everything else.

436
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,840
It might feel quite challenging
out here, navigating...

437
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,240
I'll take it really slowly...
There's no rush.

438
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,000
Steve is just beginning
his first dosing session.

439
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,640
I have a feeling I should be saying
something profound.

440
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,520
Oh, no. See how it goes.

441
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,520
There's no question
I was nervous.

442
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,600
You're taking a step
into the unknown.

443
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,160
It probably took 20,
30 minutes to feel the effects.

444
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,920
And it was as colourful
as anything you could imagine.

445
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,800
Just colours that perhaps I'd never
seen before,

446
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,600
and I was seeing them all together
at the same time.

447
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,040
I was inside a kaleidoscope.

448
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,120
And these colours were just
playing out

449
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,040
in the most extraordinary patterns.

450
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,200
Beautiful and...

451
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,880
..wild. Wild beyond imagining.

452
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,360
I felt that I'd been subatomically
picked apart.

453
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:19,600
The dandelion clock just shhh...
Blowing away in the breeze.

454
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,840
That's how I felt.

455
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,920
And I was left with nothing.

456
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:38,800
My goodness.

457
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,520
I was the roots of a tree

458
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,880
and I was underground

459
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,280
and I was connecting with everything
out there.

460
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,920
And the thing that
I really felt most...

461
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,800
HE LAUGHS

462
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,480
..was a joy.

463
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,360
Joy like I'd never experienced.
It is...

464
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,160
It is really, really,
really powerful stuff.

465
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,960
GENTLE LAUGHTER

466
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,880
There was a point in the process
where I was confronted with

467
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,920
my own mortality really strongly.

468
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,720
It was a felt thing.
It was, "You are going to die."

469
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,400
And I had a very real sense
of being shown that...

470
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,760
..because I needed to be reminded
to get on with my life

471
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,440
and make the most of it.

472
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,360
Mat is a photographer and
film-maker who lives in London.

473
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,320
You can be carrying this heavy
burden with you...

474
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,360
..and people who don't know that you
have that struggle

475
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,320
might not even know that
that's going on.

476
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,280
It's something that I've had
for the most part of my life.

477
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,800
On the prep day...

478
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,040
If you'd like to have a seat
there, on that blue chair.

479
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,400
I'll get you some water.

480
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,080
..I had no expectations, really,
of what it would involve.

481
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,480
I just kind of went into it
with open arms, really.

482
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,880
So why don't you tell me
a little bit about...?

483
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,200
So the prep day involved just
chatting about how I was feeling,

484
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,200
a bit about my depression history.

485
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,440
I struggled a little bit in school
through kind of bullying...

486
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,080
Mm.

487
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,680
..and I think that affected
my self-esteem. Yeah.

488
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,520
Bullying at school was a really
difficult time in my life.

489
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,960
I wasn't well-liked, and I became
very anxious and insecure,

490
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,400
and life kind of went on
with these feelings, really.

491
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,640
Is there someone with you
at the beginning?

492
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,280
The whole way through. The whole way
through this whole thing?

493
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,880
Yeah. OK. Cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

494
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,000
And you'd never be alone.
Yeah. Always with two therapists,

495
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,360
the whole way through.

496
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,000
Reassured, Mat comes in
for his dosing day,

497
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,040
ready to embrace the experience.

498
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,720
Do you want to get comfy? I was just
thinking, do I need to...?

499
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,160
Are they here?
Have the drugs arrived yet?

500
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,680
They've arrived, yes.
They have arrived.

501
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,760
OK, so we're ready to go,
aren't we?

502
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,080
VOICEOVER: I felt very relaxed.
I felt very safe.

503
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,320
This bed's so comfy!

504
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,000
VOICEOVER: I just didn't hesitate.

505
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,680
I just took the pills.

506
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,800
And as the music started
to evolve,

507
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,360
I just started to go on
this amazing journey.

508
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,600
Initially, there was just a sense
of just a kind of weight lifted.

509
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,600
I almost felt like I was
in a computer game.

510
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,720
There were lots of patterns,
and I felt like I was...

511
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,320
I was travelling between
different realms.

512
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,680
There was a moment where I felt like
I was in deep, deep water...

513
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,400
..and I was looking down
into the abyss.

514
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,080
And suddenly I had this sensation...

515
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,760
..I was an observer to my body
being released to the deep.

516
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,280
I just started bawling my eyes out.

517
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,360
I haven't really cried properly
for a long time.

518
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,200
But I didn't feel scared
or frightened. It felt OK.

519
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,240
I was lying there, and I just...

520
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,080
the tears were pouring out of my
eyes, but they weren't sad tears.

521
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,040
They were... They were joyful tears.

522
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,960
Oh...fucking hell!

523
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,960
Phew!

524
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,840
VOICEOVER: I felt really happy,
and I just...

525
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,880
I remember thinking I could die
in this moment, and it would be OK.

526
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,360
People have psilocybin and they
feel these things and trauma that's

527
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,080
been repressed and held on to gets
released, and the transformational

528
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,080
moments where it is,
where someone can suddenly release

529
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,120
some pent-up tears that they
haven't cried for 20 years,

530
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,960
or someone can suddenly
experience joy or beauty,

531
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,400
or something that they haven't felt
for ages,

532
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,800
or suddenly feel a sense of
forgiveness for something

533
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,360
or love for something or hear a
piece of music and it touches them.

534
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,840
Whoever came up with this soundtrack
is a fucking genius.

535
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,560
VOICEOVER: There was a clear sense
that depression and anxiety

536
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,920
doesn't exist where I am now.

537
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,480
We're here whenever you need us.
You've done so well.

538
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,320
Really brilliantly.

539
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,400
I just felt beautifully at peace.

540
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,080
You know, during depression,

541
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,760
you ruminate and think about
a lot of things.

542
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,920
Psilocybin taught me that
I'm so much more than thought.

543
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,200
I am...
I am separate to thought.

544
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,520
Although some participants
don't have such strong experiences,

545
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,440
Mat wasn't alone
in finding psilocybin revelatory.

546
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,520
There has been a fundamental shift
in myself,

547
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,680
which has allowed more light
to come in.

548
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:56,480
You sort of lose your analytical,
critical mind, or at least I did.

549
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,440
I definitely had probably 30 years
of therapy in that afternoon.

550
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,840
I must have cried
for six hours solid.

551
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,120
Psilocybin opened my heart,

552
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,920
which had been closed down
and locked down for so many years.

553
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,560
Thank you, psilocybin.

554
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,760
Nadine is an artist who lives
with her husband in East Sussex.

555
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,880
In the last couple of years,

556
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,040
I've been focusing
on autobiographical drawings.

557
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,560
It's almost like these characters
have started emerging.

558
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,000
It feels kind of almost like
an eternal struggle

559
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,040
or heaven and hell or something.

560
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,040
I hadn't realised until recently

561
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,280
how much it has reflected
my depression and my anxieties.

562
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,800
It's kind of almost like
internally, I feel that inner sense

563
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,400
of turmoil and flux.

564
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,080
She was diagnosed with depression
in her early 20s.

565
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,880
It's a deep sense of sorrow and loss

566
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,440
and sense that you're never
going to amount to anything,

567
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,920
and then you start spiralling over
the same territory.

568
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,360
You're sort of chewing
over and over it.

569
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,560
It's exhausting.

570
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,440
VOICEOVER: You don't know what to
do, and you feel a bit powerless -

571
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,240
that's difficult.

572
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:24,880
How do you actually impact that?

573
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,120
How do you help?

574
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,760
The plane's back.

575
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,560
After years on and off
anti-depressants,

576
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,960
Nadine would like to try
something different.

577
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,840
Maybe it's possible
with this psilocybin

578
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,800
that actually,
instead of numbing you,

579
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,960
t maybe lights you up a little bit,
you know,

580
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,080
and I would really want
to experience that.

581
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,720
You know, I'm just curious.

582
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,680
But taking that first step
at Imperial College is a challenge.

583
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:05,880
For me, being able to make decisions
can be quite difficult.

584
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,160
VOICEOVER: I'm thinking, like,
why am I doing this?

585
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,720
What would happen if I lost control,
or if really dark things happened?

586
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:21,360
Why do I want to make myself
a guinea pig?

587
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,680
Their depression is
very, very severe,

588
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,600
but somehow they're able to
trust us enough

589
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,360
to do this quite unusual thing
that could hurt as well as heal.

590
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,040
That's when it can be
more challenging.

591
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,440
That's when the experience
can feel really uncomfortable.

592
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,080
VOICEOVER: We want to make
sure people understand how intense

593
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,760
it can be and how they might go
through the most painful experiences

594
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,160
of their life. They might be
experiencing them again.

595
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,320
It's unpredictable.

596
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:53,440
Obviously, I was quite anxious.

597
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,800
But, yeah, I kind of took it
sort of one by one.

598
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,000
And then there's a certain point
where you're told to get yourself

599
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,080
comfortable and you have
the mask on, and earphones,

600
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,000
and you're listening to music.

601
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,680
You become extra sensitive
to yourself,

602
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,440
"Am I feeling anything,
or is that just a suggestion?"

603
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,960
Who knows?

604
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:32,440
But for Nadine,
there are no noticeable effects.

605
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,240
After about 20 or 30 minutes,

606
00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:39,120
I realised that really, if anything,
it was very, very minimal.

607
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,520
I couldn't really tell.

608
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,440
If there's too much anxiety
or stress or anything,

609
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,640
it's very easy for it to tip over
quite quickly into a position

610
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,120
where I feel I need to kind of
shut down or remove myself.

611
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,200
And at that point, I was encouraged

612
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,120
to kind of stay with it
for quite a while.

613
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Nadine is in the Escitalopram group.

614
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,360
I was very, very upset.

615
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:17,600
I felt extremely disappointed,
angry at the trial, you know,

616
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,000
like I'm not
in a great place.

617
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,960
And this makes me feel even worse.

618
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,240
She heads home with a course
of antidepressants.

619
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:35,240
SSRIs work to increase serotonin
in a part of the brain called

620
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:36,480
the limbic system.

621
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,320
That's the emotional circuit.

622
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,360
And that system is overactive
in depression.

623
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,200
By dampening down that system,
you become incubated against stress.

624
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,480
You become more resilient
to the turmoils of life.

625
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:54,360
General practitioners usually very
quickly turn to antidepressants.

626
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:59,000
So I was put on antidepressants
to help stabilise the situation,

627
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,040
which they did do at the time.

628
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,520
I mean, there are times
when I felt so low,

629
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,960
taking antidepressants
felt like a life-saver.

630
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,360
Escitalopram is one of the leading
SSRIs available.

631
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,080
In numerous medical trials, it has
been shown to lift the depression

632
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,760
of around half of sufferers.

633
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,000
It takes up to six weeks
to start working.

634
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,440
But Robin and David believe
that psilocybin works better

635
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,920
and it works faster.

636
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,160
So when we set out to do this study,
we realised that we were comparing

637
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,320
two very different kinds
of treatment.

638
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,840
Escitalopram, you know, you give
on a regular basis day after day

639
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,280
after day for six weeks.

640
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,640
Psilocybin, you give a shot day one,

641
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,080
and the next second shot
three weeks later.

642
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,840
So we're trying to collect data that
reflect both of those approaches.

643
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,080
So we're using standardised scores.

644
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,120
There are standardised scores
for depression.

645
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,400
We're also using
patient-related outcomes,

646
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,480
because these are becoming
more and more important.

647
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,640
It's all very well for the doctor
to say you're better,

648
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,720
but, if you don't feel better,
you're not better.

649
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:12,120
And now I get to the data analysis,
which is really exciting

650
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,200
because we get all the results
and see how everyone's been doing

651
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,520
and what the science tells us.

652
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,240
Hey, Bruna, how are you doing?

653
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:21,480
I'm good, how are you?
Yeah, I'm good, thanks.

654
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,720
It's two-thirds of the way
through the trial,

655
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:28,680
and Robin is keen to see the data
Bruna has collected so far.

656
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,320
We have lots and lots of data.

657
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,120
They start by looking
at suicidality -

658
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,480
how suicidal the two groups felt.

659
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,120
This is escitalopram. OK.

660
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,120
The score went from 168 to 173,

661
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,920
so a minor increase.

662
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,040
Yeah.

663
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,600
So that shouldn't happen
with a treatment that

664
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,000
is meant to be a top
antidepressant drug. Yeah.

665
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,160
Why isn't suicidality dropping?

666
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:55,800
So what happens with psilocybin?

667
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:01,160
With psilocybin,
it goes from 157 to 96,

668
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,080
so it does drop by a lot.

669
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,360
Which is amazing.
You can say that again.

670
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,080
Yeah. Wow.

671
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,240
But the bar any new medicine
has to cross is extremely high.

672
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,680
They have to prove that
the difference in performance

673
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,960
between psilocybin and escitalopram
is statistically significant.

674
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,800
It's not significant.

675
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,240
So... Are you kidding me?

676
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:25,240
Yes, it is.

677
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,800
Despite a notable difference,
with the current data,

678
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,960
the difference isn't yet
great enough.

679
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,000
It doesn't actually count
as significant.

680
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,320
Oh, are you sure that's right?

681
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,640
That just...

682
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,880
..doesn't seem right to me.

683
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:42,960
What I did was...

684
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,320
In a drugs trial...

685
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,720
..this data here...

686
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:48,200
..the key is to eliminate doubt
as much as possible.

687
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,280
All of these statistical tests
are about how do you deal

688
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,560
with uncertainty, really.

689
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,800
And so what you...what you're doing
is you're testing your confidence

690
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,560
in the result.

691
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,680
That is not a result that you could
have got through just random events.

692
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,760
The data is promising,

693
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,800
but for the trial to stand up
to scientific scrutiny,

694
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,440
it has to be bulletproof.

695
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,280
OK, so the criticism's
going to come back.

696
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,480
I'm going to be... You know,
if I was to criticise this,

697
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,320
I'd say you've undervalued
escitalopram,

698
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,400
because we know, in the real world,
it does work as a licensed drug.

699
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,760
You've shown it works, right?

700
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,680
Then people could say, really,
you're telling someone

701
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,080
and their son or daughter who is
suicidal that they have to wait

702
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,120
in order to get an improvement?
Absolutely.

703
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,920
And then their suicidality score
might not even drop, you know.

704
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,080
And they have to deal with
the side effects as well...

705
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,040
You've got to be very careful you
don't say escitalopram doesn't work,

706
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,080
because it clearly does work.
It's got a licence.

707
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,560
Escitalopram is seen
as a gold standard

708
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,320
in the treatment of depression.

709
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,840
Psilocybin will have to
prove its worth.

710
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,040
I'm not defending it.

711
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,680
I'm just saying that we need
to have an answer to that criticism.

712
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,600
I'm looking for weaknesses...
Yeah.

713
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,040
..because everyone else is going to!

714
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,720
Thanks, everybody. See you soon.

715
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,040
To investigate the optimal way

716
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,560
of delivering psilocybin
as a treatment for depression,

717
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,360
the team have included a second dose
three weeks after the first.

718
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,840
Prepping my mind for the
second dosing session was tricky,

719
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:28,960
because themes had come up
that I needed to maybe focus on.

720
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,880
I almost knew what was coming.

721
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,800
I took the tablets, and it felt like
it took a little bit longer

722
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,360
for things to start to happen.

723
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,920
I remember initially feeling very,
very tense and uncomfortable.

724
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,480
And, as the effects
of the psilocybin grew,

725
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,520
I suddenly had this
really strong vision.

726
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,160
It was this little boy
trapped in a box,

727
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:14,040
and he was banging on the side,
saying, "Get me out, get me out."

728
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,800
And this morphed into
this white bird in a cage,

729
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,560
and it was flapping its wings,
obviously in distress,

730
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,560
and I had this real sense that
that was me.

731
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,520
I felt trapped.

732
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,840
I was an observer to a scene
that I was also in,

733
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,760
and that kind of felt
kind of quite strange...

734
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,480
..but, then, in a breath,
I realised

735
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:44,320
that I could just open the cage
and let the bird out.

736
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,640
And that felt so easy. That bird
didn't need to be trapped,

737
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,720
and I didn't need to feel trapped.

738
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:55,880
I had the power
to just open that door

739
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,040
and just let that bird fly free,
and I became that bird.

740
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,240
I flew high up into the sky and...

741
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,320
..and it was just this kind of
beautiful moment of feeling free.

742
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,840
The essence of why this model
is good is because it sees pain

743
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,760
as something to be learned from,
not something to be ignored.

744
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,160
So, rather than suppress pain, you
open yourself up to engage with it

745
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,400
so that you can process it,
move on from it,

746
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,200
and also learn from it.

747
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:37,320
Talking therapy helps you
believe something to be true.

748
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,160
Psilocybin helps you
know it to be true.

749
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,640
And I think that's why I felt,
in my case,

750
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,400
psilocybin worked well for me,

751
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,840
because it showed me so much
that I now know to be true.

752
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,080
I just feel so much more optimistic
about things.

753
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,880
I just feel a little bit more
in charge of my own destiny,

754
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,040
and I'm just really going to enjoy
that ride,

755
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,720
because I just have this new insight
into life,

756
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,720
and I just want to
make the most of it.

757
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,960
When she returns
for her second session,

758
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,040
Ali's been off antidepressants
for over two months.

759
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,000
I wouldn't have said I was, like,
depression-free

760
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,240
after the first dose, but I wouldn't
have said I was unhappy.

761
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,400
I was kind of determined
to keep going with it,

762
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,840
but I wasn't sure if I would be able
to actually do it.

763
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:57,400
Going through
a psilocybin experience,

764
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,800
it's a very courageous thing to do,
so for somebody like Ali,

765
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,040
having gone through that,

766
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,280
it's the beginning of the journey
for her, I think.

767
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:12,560
The second time, I think
I felt the effects quite quickly.

768
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,440
The beginning was pretty terrifying,
the second one.

769
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,160
I felt like my whole body
was humming

770
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,960
and bits were being
pulled off of me.

771
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,240
I knew that was kind of
me just dying

772
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:28,840
or falling apart, I don't know.

773
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:36,960
And then I had this sensation which
was kind of like a claw on my head,

774
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,400
and it was just pushing me down.

775
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,320
I was kind of holding on to Ros
and Ashleigh for dear life, I think.

776
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,040
You can feel like you're dying.

777
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,880
You can feel like
you've lost everything.

778
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,040
You can have some
quite frightening encounters.

779
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,840
And if, deep down,
there is a bedrock of trust,

780
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,160
then no matter how frightening
things become,

781
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,280
there is that sense
of the foundations are there

782
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:05,680
and you're safe.

783
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,120
I kind of had to make a decision
to go down this one tunnel,

784
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,560
which looked pretty nasty.

785
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:24,520
There were lots of these kind
of like orbs of colours all around.

786
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,680
And I realised those were kind of
memories and people

787
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,040
and things that had happened.

788
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:38,160
I've always had this sort of fear
that maybe I'm an awful person,

789
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,320
but I think that was telling me
that, like, "You're OK."

790
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,440
And then I came across
this one colour...

791
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,160
..and it was a really lovely
purple colour.

792
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,480
And that was my best friend, Laura,

793
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,880
who died a couple of years ago.

794
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,000
I spent a lot of time with her,
which was really lovely.

795
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,600
And I kind of cried so much
that I became a river.

796
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,440
Then Laura joined me, and we just
flowed along together for,

797
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,280
it felt like hours.

798
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,920
I just felt really lovely
to be with her,

799
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,600
and I felt a lot of grief.

800
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,320
I just really didn't want to leave,
but I knew I'd have to.

801
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,320
I realised, coming out
of the second one,

802
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,880
that a lot of my depression the last
couple of years was actually grief.

803
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,800
That's why i's really good to cry.

804
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,080
I think I was stuck in that phase
of grief, and through the

805
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,960
second experience, I felt like
I'm able to move through that.

806
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,800
I felt like a new person
afterwards.

807
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,440
It was brilliant.

808
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,840
In that afterglow period,
people are very sensitive,

809
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,160
and they they can be quite raw
emotionally, as well.

810
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,200
On the bus, you probably
can have a little quiet weep,

811
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,600
and nobody will notice.

812
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,640
It's difficult for me to say goodbye
to people,

813
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,640
because they're often
feeling much, much better,

814
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,840
and they're feeling in a great place
and are inspired.

815
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,920
And then, unfortunately, what
happens without further sessions

816
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,160
or further therapy,
people tend to close up again.

817
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,360
And promise me you'll get in touch
if you're feeling really wobbly.

818
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,240
The ruminations, the negative
thinking starts up again gradually,

819
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,400
and then usually after
about six months,

820
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,160
people describe their depression
has come back again.

821
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,760
For most participants,
this isn't a magic cure...

822
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,680
Morning, folks. How you doing?

823
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,680
Make yourselves comfortable.

824
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,000
If you'd like to hang your jacket,
there is a rack...

825
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,240
..but for some, the effects
can last beyond six months.

826
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:24,040
I'm better.
I never thought I'd say that.

827
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,560
Back at work at his cafe,

828
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:31,360
Steve is in no doubt what
Psilocybin therapy has done for him.

829
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,000
..just go to the website. Fantastic.
There you go.

830
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,480
I'm not cured.

831
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,280
I don't know if there is a cure
for depression,

832
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,800
but I think I have a better
understanding of my depression.

833
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,800
OK, whoa.

834
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,400
That's a beaut.

835
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,920
Having a better understanding of it
has helped me deal with it better,

836
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,840
and that feels like progress.

837
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,000
I didn't get your name. Gabrielle.

838
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,440
All of a sudden, he was smiling
much more, as if it had taken off

839
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,360
a big heavy lid, like the lid of
a pressure cooker,

840
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,320
that had been pushed down on him.

841
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,120
Oh, yes.

842
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,760
Would you like a treat?

843
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,560
Taken it off and said,
"No, it's OK.

844
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,240
"What's in there, it's OK.
You can let it out."

845
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,160
I mean, it's almost miraculous,
it really is.

846
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,880
It's extraordinary.

847
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,560
So I'll try and
sit as back as I can...

848
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,080
Nadine was in the
Escitalopram group,

849
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,480
and it's been six months
since she finished the trial.

850
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,880
I decided to stay
on the Escitalopram,

851
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,480
because I didn't really have any
particularly horrible side-effects.

852
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:07,560
What I noticed was that I was
able to make decisions.

853
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,720
I mean, I can't describe what
being able to make decisions means,

854
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:16,400
you know,
because it gives you agency.

855
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,520
I'm really pleased I did the trial,
because I think, apart from anything

856
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,920
else, there was a strong sense
of validation of your experience,

857
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,960
which comes by being accepted
onto a trial like this...

858
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,080
..and that's been really powerful.

859
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,320
The trial is complete.

860
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,640
Robin is visiting David Nutt
with the full data set

861
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,480
to discuss the results.

862
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,080
Hi, good to see you.

863
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,040
We got these forest plots
with all of the main outcomes.

864
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,280
The depression outcome's at the top.
Right.

865
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,720
It's the moment of truth.

866
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:06,160
OK, so we chose the self reported
core depressive symptoms

867
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,240
to be the primary outcome
because we believe that the patient

868
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:12,000
should be the person that tells you
whether they're better off.

869
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,680
The most important result
in this study is the measure

870
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,520
of the participants'
self-reported depression scores.

871
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,160
Better sexual functioning...

872
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,120
These results reveal how effective
each drug is at reducing

873
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,800
the core symptoms of depression.

874
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,920
It was much faster, the response
with Psilocybin therapy.

875
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,840
And that's actually interesting.

876
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,480
Really rapidly, the patients
reported a very powerful

877
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,640
immediate effect,
which is Psilocybin.

878
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,280
It's just that Escitalopram
caught up after six weeks. Yeah.

879
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,440
The results suggest that Psilocybin
is as effective

880
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,680
as the antidepressant
in reducing depression...

881
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,400
Work and social functioning...

882
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,200
..and some of the other findings
are even more promising.

883
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,920
..psychological flourishing,

884
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,760
anxiety decreases more
with Psilocybin.

885
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,840
Remission rates, so no longer
having depression. Right.

886
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,080
That was 60% no longer having
depression. At six weeks?

887
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,720
At six weeks.
60% remitted at six weeks?

888
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:10,760
Yeah. With Psilocybin, it was 30%.
With Escitalopram... Twice as many?

889
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,080
Yeah. Impressive.

890
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,360
So we've got three or four
depression rating scales

891
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,560
significantly favouring Psilocybin.

892
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,080
Wow. Yeah, very exciting. It is.

893
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,920
With a sample size of 59,
and only six weeks' worth of data,

894
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,080
larger and longer trials
are still needed,

895
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,120
yet this trial clearly demonstrates
the scientific worth

896
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,200
of further research.

897
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,760
What we've got here is the best
proof yet of what I've been saying

898
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,960
for 15 years, which is
it is ridiculous to deny

899
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,920
access of Psilocybin.

900
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,760
It is a different way
of treating depression,

901
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,400
and that's hugely important.

902
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,480
There is still a long way to go

903
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,600
before this treatment is available
in the UK.

904
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,920
Mass testing will need to prove
that Psilocybin,

905
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,840
in combination with psychotherapy,
is both safe and effective

906
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,360
in the long term before government
regulators can approve it

907
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:11,920
for medical use.

908
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,640
In Bristol, a year after taking part
in the psychedelic drug trial,

909
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,160
Ali's life has changed.

910
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:27,360
I went back to work three days
after I finished the trials.

911
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,160
I'd been off work
for nearly a year at that point.

912
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,080
Just the last few months, I've
actually started really enjoying

913
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,800
work again and not dreading it,
which is really lovely.

914
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,520
Ali's depression hasn't gone,
but it is more manageable.

915
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,840
Now that I've experienced
being depressed since the trial,

916
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,720
and come out of it myself,
that feels huge.

917
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,240
I know I can deal with it now,
so I'm really lucky.

918
00:56:57,240 --> 00:57:01,480
I just hope that it can become
treatment that's accessible.

919
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,560
I always think about
my best friend Laura.

920
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,560
There's just a lot of people
struggling.

921
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,800
I feel really confident
that Psilocybin, when used

922
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,520
in a scientific container
with therapeutic support

923
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,800
and great care for screening,
and everything else that we did,

924
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,840
that its effectiveness
has been shown to me.

925
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,920
Hopefully in future, things
will move towards creating

926
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,760
a fuller kind of
therapeutic programme

927
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,320
using Psilocybin therapy
as its heart.

928
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,480
Oh, that's a great response.

929
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,000
One of the reasons I'm sitting
here is that I think

930
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,280
it's the way forward.

931
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,120
More change has got to come.

932
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,160
It's inevitable.
That's the way I feel about it.

933
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,360
I think if the government
really wants to do something

934
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,680
to help mental health
and help the NHS,

935
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,320
they can't ignore this
as a potential treatment.

936
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,040
It's changed my life.

937
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,040
I just feel really grateful,

938
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,880
and I'm ready to go another
long, interesting life.

