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[fanfare music playing]

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[narrator] <i>Once upon a time,</i>

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<i>there was a beautiful, downtrodden girl</i>
<i>with an evil stepmother.</i>

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<i>Then a fairy godmother</i>
<i>granted her wish to go to a ball,</i>

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<i>-where, at the stroke of midnight…</i>
-[clock chimes]

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<i>…she lost her glass slipper.</i>

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<i>-But a prince found it…</i>
-Huh.

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[narrator] <i>…and when</i>
<i>he finally tracked her down,</i>

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<i>they fell in love</i>
<i>and lived happily ever after.</i>

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<i>You know the story.</i>

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<i>Or maybe you know this story.</i>

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<i>There was a beautiful, downtrodden girl</i>
<i>with an evil stepmother.</i>

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<i>Then some magical fish</i> <i>bones</i>

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<i>granted her a wish</i>
<i>to go to the New Year's festival,</i>

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<i>where she lost her teeny tiny golden shoe.</i>

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<i>-But the king found it…</i>
-Hmm.

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<i>…and when he finally tracked her down,</i>

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<i>they fell in love</i>
<i>and lived happily ever after.</i>

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<i>-And her evil stepmother…</i>
-[growls]

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<i>…was crushed to death by stones in a cave.</i>

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<i>And in Greece,</i>
<i>a similar story was once told.</i>

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<i>Except this beautiful, downtrodden girl</i>
<i>was bathing in a river,</i>

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<i>when an eagle swooped in</i>
<i>and stole her sandal,</i>

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<i>which it then serendipitously</i>
<i>dropped right into the lap of a king.</i>

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<i>Spoiler alert:</i>
<i>When he finally tracked her down,</i>

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<i>they fell in love,</i>
<i>and they lived happily ever after.</i>

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<i>And there are plenty more.</i>

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<i>Downtrodden girl.</i>

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<i>Magical intervention.</i>

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<i>Loses her shoe, meets her love.</i>

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<i>Girl, magic, shoe, love.</i>

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<i>Back in 1893,</i>

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<i>a folklorist recorded</i>
<i>345 different versions of </i>Cinderella

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<i>told all around the world.</i>

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<i>Today, we think that number</i>
<i>is in the thousands,</i>

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<i>and it's not just </i>Cinderella.

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<i>Many of the fairy tales you know and love</i>
<i>exist in dozens of different countries.</i>

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<i>Why do we keep</i>
<i>telling versions of the same story?</i>

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<i>What is it about fairy tales?</i>

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Ready?<i> </i>Let's go.

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[man 1] Between these covers,
we find these immortal favorites.

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[man 2] Do you remember
when you were small

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hearing the story of Red Riding Hood?

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Remember, when the clock strikes 12:00,

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you must be home by then.

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[man 3] Remember the lovely princess
who was bewitched into a deep slumber

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until her Prince Charming
came to break the spell?

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Come on, wake up! Wake up!
You lazy good-for-nothing!

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Come on, wake up!

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When we talk about fairy tales,
often we use the term

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to think about things
that are unrealistically good.

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[Negga] <i>You know the image,</i>

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<i>reproduced in so many movies,</i>
<i>TV shows, advertisements.</i>

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[Grady] And the camera sort of freezes
on this impossibly beautiful moment.

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And often we're hearkening
specifically to the idea

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of the ending of a Disney movie.

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[Negga] <i>In 1937, Walt Disney,</i>

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<i>animator extraordinaire,</i>

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<i>co-inventor of Mickey Mouse,</i>

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<i>released </i>Snow White<i>, the rollicking story</i>

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<i>of a beautiful girl, her evil stepmother,</i>

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<i>and seven adorable dwarfs</i>
<i>of varying temperaments.</i>

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What?

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[Negga] <i>It was his first ever</i>
<i>full-length animation movie</i>

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<i>and made in Multiplane Technicolor,</i>

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<i>as they boasted in the movie's marketing.</i>

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[man] More than 250,000 paintings
like these

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were created by Walt Disney
and his staff of artists.

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[Negga] <i>Many copied frame by frame from</i>
<i>a recording of these reference actors,</i>

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<i>so the characters looked and danced</i>
<i>like real people.</i>

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<i>As opposed to,</i>

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<i>well, cartoons.</i>

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<i>Like these earlier Disney films.</i>

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<i>Production was so ambitious</i>
<i>that newspapers labeled it his folly.</i>

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<i>But when </i>Snow White<i> came out,</i>
<i>they changed their tune.</i>

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<i>It became an international sensation.</i>

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<i>You could buy Snow White accessories,</i>
<i>Snow White dolls,</i>

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<i>a vast array of dwarf-inspired hats,</i>

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<i>and the first movie soundtrack ever sold.</i>

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<i>If you adjust for inflation,</i>

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Snow White<i> still ranks among</i>
<i>the highest-grossing movies ever made</i>.

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<i>And it created the playbook</i>
<i>for many Disney hits that followed.</i>

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[Grady] This fantasy of ball gowns,
and castles,

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and a poor young girl
who has to find her happy ending,

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probably by marrying a prince.

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There's nothing wrong with any of that,

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but it's doing a very different thing
from the earlier fairy tales.

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[Negga] <i>If you want to know</i>
<i>what fairy tales are really about,</i>

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<i>you have to ask the true experts.</i>

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It's a thing

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that, uh, might be on movies,

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might be on books.

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It needs a main character. It's magical.

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Um…

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A fairy tale is basically a story

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which has

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pretty characters
who say beautiful speeches.

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A fairy tale is

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not real.

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It's just a story.

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[in Spanish] That comes
from another world, a world of magic,

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full of creativity, of many colors.

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I mean, a completely different world
from the one we know.

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[Negga in English] <i>And those definitions</i>
<i>are pretty accurate.</i>

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It might make sense
to think of these stories

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as tales about metamorphosis
and transformation<i>.</i>

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[Negga] <i>Cinderella's rags</i>
<i>turn into a beautiful dress.</i>

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<i>Snow White comes back to life</i>
<i>with a true love's kiss.</i>

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<i>Jack's beans sprout a plant tower</i>
<i>that stretches beyond the clouds.</i>

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All fairy tales
have mystery and magic in them.

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[Negga] <i>But so do a lot of stories</i>
<i>that aren't fairy tales,</i>

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<i>so it might help to know</i>
<i>what a fairy tale isn't.</i>

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<i>First, a fairy tale is not a legend.</i>

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<i>Legends are all stories</i>
<i>with historical basis,</i>

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<i>set in a real time, a real place.</i>

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<i>A fairy tale setting should be ambiguous,</i>

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<i>which is why they often start with</i>
<i>"Once upon a time."</i>

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<i>Or in Czech,</i>
<i>"Beyond seven mountain ranges,</i>

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<i>beyond seven rivers."</i>

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<i>Or in Arabic,</i>

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<i>"There was, oh, what there was,</i>

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<i>or there wasn't, in the oldest</i>
<i>of days and ages and times."</i>

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<i>A fairy tale is also not a myth.</i>

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Which is often a sacred story,
or a foundational story.

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A charter narrative
about how a civilization began.

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-[Negga] <i>In other words a religious story.</i>
-[hissing]

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<i>And lastly, a fairy tale is not a fable,</i>

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<i>which are stories told specifically</i>
<i>to convey a moral or message,</i>

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<i>often by way of a pair of talking animals.</i>

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<i>Like </i>The Hare and the Tortoise,

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<i>which shows us, you know,</i>
<i>slow and steady wins the race.</i>

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[tortoise] I am not afraid.

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I'll race you, and I'll win.

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[Negga] <i>Fairy tales can have</i>
<i>a moral element,</i>

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<i>but it's not always that clear what it is.</i>

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Jack and the Beanstalk
<i>appears to be pro-stealing.</i>

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<i>At least from ogres.</i>

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It's a simple story. It's<i> </i>skeletal.

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The forces of good and evil.

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Not much nuance in there at all.

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[Negga] <i>And they tend</i>
<i>to follow a similar arc.</i>

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<i>The hero and their world is established,</i>

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<i>then the villain enters</i>
<i>and does something villainous,</i>

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<i>the hero comes up with a plan to fix it,</i>
<i>gets some magical help.</i>

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<i>There's a struggle,</i>
<i>they escape, get rewarded. The end.</i>

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<i>There are a lot of stories</i>
<i>that follow this arc.</i>

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<i>And only a small subset</i>

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<i>involve a pretty princess who's rescued</i>
<i>by a prince and then gets married.</i>

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Folklorists are Disney haters.

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It's a corporate fairy tale.
It's top-down.

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And in some ways, what it has done
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that has erased
all of these local variants.

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[Negga] <i>Like all those Cinderellas.</i>

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<i>Japan had its own Cinderella,</i> <i>Hachikazuki,</i>

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<i>and her story was uniquely Japanese.</i>

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<i>She's protected by a magic bowl</i>
<i>stuck to her head,</i>

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<i>a Buddhist symbol.</i>

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<i>But when Disney's version</i>
<i>of </i>Cinderella <i>came to Japan,</i>

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<i>she became a cultural phenomenon,</i>

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<i>featured in movies, books</i>,<i> accessories,</i>

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<i>and the All-Star Dream Cinderella</i>
<i>wrestling tournament.</i>

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<i>Or take the Russian version of </i>Snow White<i>,</i>
<i>preserved in this Soviet-era cartoon,</i>

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<i>which has the famous magic mirror</i>,

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<i>and the poisoned apple,</i>

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<i>but the seven dwarfs are seven knights.</i>

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<i>And their relationship</i>
<i>to Snow White is a little different.</i>

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[in Russian] As you know,
you're our sister<i>.</i>

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All seven of us here are in love with you.

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[Negga in English] <i>But even before</i>
<i>Disney's </i>Snow White <i>conquered the world,</i>

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<i>the tale it's based on</i>
<i>had pulled off a similar feat.</i>

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<i>A somewhat darker German folktale</i>,

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Sneewittchen<i>,</i>
<i>which Disney clearly nods to.</i>

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<i>The dwarfs' house</i>
<i>is a classic medieval Germanic design.</i>

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<i>So is the castle,</i>
<i>with its rounded towers and iron finials,</i>

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<i>and Snow White's upturned collar,</i>
<i>and puffy, slashed sleeves.</i>

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<i>That original German version</i>
<i>had become so famous</i>

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<i>because of one of the great</i>
<i>marketing coups in literary history.</i>

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<i>Turning fairy tales</i>

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<i>into kids' stories.</i>

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[bouncy music plays]

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<i>Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm</i>
<i>were librarians and amateur folklorists</i>

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<i>living in Prussia, now Germany,</i>
<i>in the early 1800s,</i>

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<i>a period when Napoleon's empire</i>
<i>was rapidly expanding,</i>

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<i>threatening, they thought,</i>
<i>to eclipse German heritage entirely.</i>

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<i>So they traveled the country,</i>
<i>collecting folk stories.</i>

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[Tatar] They wanted to capture
the remnants of a storytelling tradition

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before it disappeared.

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Stories that had been told
by adults to other adults,

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with children present at times.

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[Negga] <i>In 1812,</i>

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<i>they published a book titled</i>
Children and Household Tales,

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<i>because the tales were </i>about<i> children,</i>

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<i>not </i>for <i>children.</i>

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<i>Well, this is their version of </i>Rapunzel<i>.</i>

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<i>There's a beautiful girl</i>
<i>with magical hair,</i>

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<i>who's imprisoned in a tower</i>
<i>by an evil sorceress</i>,

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<i>Mother Gothel.</i>

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<i>One day, a prince climbs up her hair</i>
<i>to </i>enjoy<i> her company.</i>

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<i>-Rapunzel gets pregnant and has twins…</i>
-[babies crying]

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<i>…so Gothel banishes them</i>
<i>to the wilderness.</i>

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They got terrible reviews.

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The book was panned.

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[Negga] <i>A leading critic called it</i>
<i>"pathetic and tasteless."</i>

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And they decided, "Okay,
we're gonna listen to these critics."

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"We're gonna make
those stories more child-friendly."

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[Negga] <i>By their final edition,</i>

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<i>the prince just chats to Rapunzel.</i>

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<i>Nobody gets pregnant.</i>

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<i>And then the prince's eyes</i>
<i>get poked out by thorns.</i>

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[groans]

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<i>Child-friendly in 19th-century Germany</i>
<i>meant more violence.</i>

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<i>A book called </i>Shock-Headed Peter

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<i>was a best seller at the time,</i>

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<i>with stories like a boy</i>
<i>who sucks his thumb,</i>

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<i>and gets it chopped off by giant scissors.</i>

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<i>Or a boy</i>
<i>who doesn't want to comb his hair,</i>

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<i>so he ends up looking like this,</i>

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<i>and his parents stop loving him.</i>

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These were cautionary tales

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warning them
about the dangers of curiosity.

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Becoming a manual of manners for children.

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[Negga] <i>In the Grimms' version</i>
<i>of </i>Cinderella<i>,</i>

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<i>the stepsisters</i>
<i>cut off chunks of their feet</i>

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<i>to try to jam them into the slipper,</i>

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<i>but they're thwarted by a pesky pigeon.</i>

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And it says, "Coo-coory coo,
there's blood in the shoe."

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It's a rhyming couplet.
I don't actually remember it.

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[Negga] <i>It's actually…</i>

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Rook di goo, rook di goo!

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There's blood in the shoe<i>.</i>

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The shoe is too tight.

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This bride is not right!

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[Negga] <i>Later, the birds come back,</i>
<i>and peck out their eyes.</i>

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I have this very clear memory
of being about three<i>,</i>

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and just being, like, super into it,
and being like,

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"Yes, this is what
these evil people deserve. Get 'em."

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[Negga] <i>As the book</i>
<i>spread internationally,</i>

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<i>editors added illustrations.</i>

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[Tatar] That is a real inflection point.

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They became part
of what we now call bedtime reading.

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[Negga] <i>Inspiring other writers,</i>
<i>like Denmark's Hans Christian Andersen,</i>

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<i>to make up fairy tales of their own.</i>

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<i>But in their prologue,</i>
<i>the Grimms made a pretty magical claim.</i>

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<i>Their stories were ancient,</i>

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<i>linked to the earlier</i>
<i>and simplest forms of life.</i>

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There had often been the assumption
that a lot of these stories were very old.

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And that's because we find many
of the same stories in different cultures,

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cultures that we know
are related to one another.

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[Negga] <i>More than a century</i>
<i>before the Grimms,</i>

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<i>Charles Perrault had published</i>
<i>a hit book of fairy tales in France,</i>

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<i>which included a lot of the same stories.</i>

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<i>There had been earlier writers too,</i>

253
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<i>and it was possible that</i>
<i>they had actually invented these stories,</i>

254
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<i>and then they spread like wildfire.</i>

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A lot of these stories

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may just simply be very catchy.

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They may just be
really entertaining stories

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that people love hearing and love telling,

259
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so therefore may not be ancient
in origin at all.

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[Negga] <i>But solving that mystery</i>

261
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<i>was next to impossible.</i>

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<i>Take </i>Little Red Riding Hood.

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<i>This map is a snapshot</i> <i>of all the times</i>
<i>a version of the story was written down.</i>

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<i>By a missionary in West Africa,</i>
<i>a poet in China</i>,

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<i>or two brothers in Germany.</i>

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<i>But in between</i>
<i>all of those recorded stories</i>

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<i>are thousands of miles</i>
<i>and hundreds of years.</i>

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Now, that's very similar<i> </i>to the problem
that evolutionary biologists have

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in trying to reconstruct
the history of life,

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because only a tiny fraction

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of all the species that have ever existed
have left any trace at all.

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[Negga] <i>But by tracking</i>
<i>a certain trait or gene,</i>

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<i>they're able to show how species evolved</i>

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<i>and even prove</i>
<i>the existence of shared ancestors</i>

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<i>that are long extinct.</i>

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<i>And Tehrani took the same approach.</i>

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<i>The core DNA</i>
<i>of </i>Little Red Riding Hood <i>is simple.</i>

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<i>A child, or children,</i>

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<i>is isolated from a parent,</i>
<i>then tricked by a predator,</i>

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<i>who is pretending</i>
<i>to be a beloved relative.</i>

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<i>But there are also lots of mutations.</i>

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<i>In Europe, the predator is a wolf.</i>

283
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<i>In China, it's a tiger.</i>

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<i>In Africa, an ogre.</i>

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<i>In some stories,</i>
<i>the child wears a red riding hood.</i>

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<i>And in others, the child is a goat.</i>

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<i>Sometimes, the child dies or…</i>

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A passing woodcutter comes
and cuts open the wolf's stomach

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and rescues
Little Red Riding Hood from it.

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[Negga] <i>And other times…</i>

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She doesn't need a man to rescue her.

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She figures out a way
to get away from the wolf herself.

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[Negga] <i>And based on all those variations,</i>

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<i>Tehrani traced</i>
<i>how the story must have spread.</i>

295
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[Tehrani] You get a kind of family tree
of versions of <i>Little Red Riding Hood</i>.

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[Negga] <i>Fanning out into three continents</i>,

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<i>and splitting off into smaller branches</i>
<i>as details were added or lost.</i>

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<i>This tree tells its own story</i>

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<i>of the places a tale traveled,</i>

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<i>and of the generations of people</i>
<i>who shared and loved it,</i>

301
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<i>and made it their own.</i>

302
00:14:55,811 --> 00:14:57,896
<i>By tracing any branch back,</i>

303
00:14:57,980 --> 00:15:00,774
<i>you can also see</i>
<i>which stories share an ancestor.</i>

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<i>Like the Grimms' version.</i>

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00:15:02,943 --> 00:15:04,695
<i>Their proudly German tale</i>

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<i>is a direct descendant</i>
<i>of Perrault's French one.</i>

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<i>One of the Grimms' main sources</i>
<i>had actually been a family friend,</i>

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<i>the daughter of French immigrants.</i>

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Who probably were familiar

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with the version
that Perrault had first written down.

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[Negga] <i>But Perrault</i>
<i>definitely hadn't invented it.</i>

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<i>The original </i>Little Red Riding Hood
<i>predates any famous book,</i>

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<i>originating at least a thousand years ago.</i>

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<i>But we're not sure from where or when.</i>

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[Tatar] We imagine human beings
gathered around campsites,

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telling stories to each other.

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One, to pass on ancestral wisdom,

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and also for the sake of entertainment.

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These stories have been passed down
from generation to generation

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for a long, long time.

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[Negga] Beauty and the Beast,
<i>that's 4,000 years old.</i>

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Jack and the Beanstalk <i>is 5,000.</i>

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<i>And the oldest fairy tale they studied…</i>

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You find in Germany,
and in Western Europe,

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and in Eastern Europe,
and in Western Asia,

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lots of these different populations
that can be traced way back

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to the last common ancestors.

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[Negga] <i>Six thousand years ago.</i>

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<i>Five thousand five hundred years</i>
<i>before we invented printing.</i>

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<i>Four thousand before we invented paper.</i>

331
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<i>Two thousand</i>
<i>before we first wrote a story down,</i>

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<i>the Epic of Gilgamesh.</i>

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<i>It was first told right around the time</i>
<i>we figured out how to make bronze,</i>

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00:16:31,448 --> 00:16:33,575
<i>a civilization-changing event.</i>

335
00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:37,413
<i>Which may be why the story</i>
<i>is </i>The Smith and the Devil<i>.</i>

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00:16:37,496 --> 00:16:43,752
[Tehrani] The blacksmith makes a deal
with a malevolent, supernatural figure.

337
00:16:43,836 --> 00:16:46,755
He wants to be able
to weld any materials together

338
00:16:46,839 --> 00:16:48,882
to be the greatest blacksmith
that's ever lived.

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And in return, he will give up his soul.

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[Negga] <i>If you haven't heard that story,</i>
<i>you've heard a version of it.</i>

341
00:16:55,681 --> 00:16:58,559
I had to be at that there crossroads
last midnight

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to sell my soul to the devil.

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00:17:00,310 --> 00:17:02,646
I offered my soul to Satan,

344
00:17:02,730 --> 00:17:06,525
if he would raise the Hessian
from the grave to avenge me.

345
00:17:07,526 --> 00:17:09,737
Would you be willing to make a deal?

346
00:17:14,116 --> 00:17:15,159
Name your price.

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00:17:15,743 --> 00:17:17,119
[Negga] <i>In Christian societies,</i>

348
00:17:17,202 --> 00:17:20,122
<i>it's become a story about</i>
<i>the dangers of ambition,</i>

349
00:17:20,664 --> 00:17:22,332
<i>but in the original version…</i>

350
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[Tehrani] The first thing
the blacksmith does

351
00:17:24,376 --> 00:17:27,963
is sticks the devil to the spot,
so the devil can't move.

352
00:17:28,047 --> 00:17:31,675
So he gets to be
this kind of best blacksmith of all time

353
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and also gets to keep his soul,
so he tricks the devil.

354
00:17:35,596 --> 00:17:38,015
Fairy tales have been

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beta tested for a really long time.

356
00:17:40,267 --> 00:17:43,437
They are stories
that have just been honed down

357
00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,149
to a series
of very evocative, specific details

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over centuries and centuries of retelling.

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00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:52,654
[Negga]
<i>It's story survival of the fittest.</i>

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00:17:52,738 --> 00:17:56,200
<i>As a story evolves,</i>
<i>it sheds anything superfluous.</i>

361
00:17:56,909 --> 00:17:59,703
<i>That's why the characters and plots</i>
<i>are so simple,</i>

362
00:17:59,787 --> 00:18:03,040
<i>which means they can be easily</i>
<i>adapted to the times.</i>

363
00:18:03,123 --> 00:18:06,877
<i>There are so many evil stepmothers</i>
<i>because before the 20th century,</i>

364
00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,838
<i>it was pretty common</i>
<i>for women to die in childbirth.</i>

365
00:18:09,922 --> 00:18:12,925
<i>And Disney's Cinderella</i>
<i>got a pumpkin carriage</i>

366
00:18:13,008 --> 00:18:16,887
<i>because when Charles Perrault</i>
<i>originally wrote that version down,</i>

367
00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:19,014
<i>people were excited about pumpkins.</i>

368
00:18:19,098 --> 00:18:22,893
<i>They were the cool new crop</i>
<i>brought over from the Americas.</i>

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00:18:24,186 --> 00:18:25,938
<i>Some of the earliest movies</i>

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00:18:26,021 --> 00:18:29,066
<i>by legendary illusionist Georges Méliès</i>

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00:18:29,149 --> 00:18:31,819
<i>were versions of </i>Cinderella <i>and </i>Bluebeard<i>.</i>

372
00:18:31,902 --> 00:18:36,657
<i>The not-so-child-friendly story of a woman</i>
<i>who discovers that her new husband</i>

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00:18:36,740 --> 00:18:39,409
<i>has a habit of murdering his wives.</i>

374
00:18:40,410 --> 00:18:44,081
<i>And then Lotte Reiniger</i>
<i>moved them into a whole new world,</i>

375
00:18:44,164 --> 00:18:46,917
<i>cutting puppets</i>
<i>and choreographing their shadows,</i>

376
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,754
<i>producing the true</i>
<i>first full-length animated movie.</i>

377
00:18:52,047 --> 00:18:55,801
<i>And this film,</i>
<i>a 1916 version of the Grimms' </i>Snow White<i>,</i>

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<i>played to packed theaters</i>

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00:18:58,262 --> 00:19:01,932
<i>barely able to hold the crowds of people</i>
<i>desperate to see it.</i>

380
00:19:02,015 --> 00:19:04,560
<i>Including, the story goes,</i>

381
00:19:04,643 --> 00:19:06,311
<i>a young boy named Walt,</i>

382
00:19:07,187 --> 00:19:11,275
<i>who was so enchanted by it</i>
<i>that he grew up to make his own version.</i>

383
00:19:13,277 --> 00:19:17,156
Disney has created
the one story that we all know.

384
00:19:17,239 --> 00:19:18,907
And so, in that sense,

385
00:19:18,991 --> 00:19:24,496
you could say that it's had
a kind of negative cultural effect.

386
00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:27,374
But Disney kept the stories alive.

387
00:19:27,457 --> 00:19:29,334
Were it not for Disney,

388
00:19:29,418 --> 00:19:32,421
many of these fairy tales
might have disappeared.

389
00:19:32,504 --> 00:19:37,384
Fairy tales are very much a product
of the time in which they are made.

390
00:19:37,467 --> 00:19:39,636
If you look at <i>Snow White</i>,

391
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,805
that's a movie made in the '30s.

392
00:19:42,514 --> 00:19:44,224
The feminine ideal at the time,

393
00:19:44,308 --> 00:19:47,352
who is sweet and industrious, and cleans,

394
00:19:47,436 --> 00:19:52,482
and is a sort of passive ideal
of womanhood and of femininity.

395
00:19:53,233 --> 00:19:58,030
[Negga] <i>Disney also famously only hired</i>
<i>white men</i> <i>in creative positions.</i>

396
00:19:58,113 --> 00:20:01,366
<i>As the company</i>
<i>explained in this rejection letter,</i>

397
00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:05,495
<i>quote, "Girls weren't even considered</i>
<i>for their training school."</i>

398
00:20:06,246 --> 00:20:07,831
<i>But times have changed.</i>

399
00:20:07,915 --> 00:20:12,586
Frozen <i>is the first Disney animated movie</i>
<i>to be directed by a woman.</i>

400
00:20:12,669 --> 00:20:17,090
[Tatar] Which was inspired
by Andersen's story of <i>The Snow Queen,</i>

401
00:20:17,174 --> 00:20:20,093
but which becomes a kind of hymn

402
00:20:20,177 --> 00:20:23,222
to the solidarity of sisters,

403
00:20:23,305 --> 00:20:26,642
and the solidarity of women in general.

404
00:20:26,725 --> 00:20:29,728
In many ways, when we rewrite
the fairy tales to be more feminist,

405
00:20:29,811 --> 00:20:33,232
we're not really going forwards
so much as we are going back.

406
00:20:33,315 --> 00:20:35,359
[Negga] <i>The writer Madame d'Aulno</i>y

407
00:20:35,442 --> 00:20:38,904
<i>gave us the term "fairy tale"</i>
<i>back in the 17th century.</i>

408
00:20:38,987 --> 00:20:42,908
<i>And in her version of </i>Cinderella<i>,</i>
<i>the beautiful, downtrodden girl</i>

409
00:20:42,991 --> 00:20:45,410
<i>is nicknamed "Little Clever Girl,"</i>

410
00:20:45,494 --> 00:20:48,205
<i>because she triumphs</i>
<i>by outsmarting her enemies</i>

411
00:20:48,288 --> 00:20:51,708
<i>and making friends in high places</i>
<i>with the fairies.</i>

412
00:20:51,792 --> 00:20:55,087
[Grady] She spends the whole time
being nice to all of her enemies,

413
00:20:55,170 --> 00:20:57,839
but the moral that you're given
at the end of this version is

414
00:20:57,923 --> 00:21:01,718
it's really funny when you're nice
to people who are terrible,

415
00:21:01,802 --> 00:21:03,720
and then you beat them anyway.

416
00:21:04,805 --> 00:21:07,516
[Negga] <i>As fairy tales moved on</i>
<i>from campfires into homes,</i>

417
00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:10,060
<i>then onto pages and finally screens,</i>

418
00:21:10,143 --> 00:21:12,354
<i>some stories faded into the shadows.</i>

419
00:21:13,355 --> 00:21:15,357
<i>But today more than ever before,</i>

420
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,693
<i>we have access to different branches,</i>

421
00:21:17,776 --> 00:21:20,570
<i>different trees,</i>
<i>different forests entirely.</i>

422
00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:25,575
<i>The film </i>Coco <i>introduced millions</i>
<i>to Mexican folklore</i>

423
00:21:25,659 --> 00:21:28,328
<i>about the importance</i>
<i>of remembering your ancestors.</i>

424
00:21:29,037 --> 00:21:31,873
Moana <i>was based</i>
<i>on Polynesian folk traditions</i>

425
00:21:31,957 --> 00:21:34,668
<i>that remind us to care</i>
<i>for our communities.</i>

426
00:21:34,751 --> 00:21:37,004
<i>And Japan's Hayao Miyazaki</i>

427
00:21:37,087 --> 00:21:39,923
<i>has given the world</i>
<i>tales about the horrors of violence,</i>

428
00:21:40,007 --> 00:21:42,467
<i>and respect for the natural world.</i>

429
00:21:42,551 --> 00:21:44,761
<i>A theme shared by the Celtic folklore</i>

430
00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:47,097
<i>that inspired the film </i>Wolfwalkers<i>.</i>

431
00:21:48,223 --> 00:21:50,809
[Tatar] The great thing
about going global is

432
00:21:50,892 --> 00:21:55,230
that we realize that there's
this golden chain of folklore

433
00:21:55,313 --> 00:21:57,107
that unites all of us.

434
00:21:57,190 --> 00:22:01,528
That is, these stories
can get us talking across continents,

435
00:22:01,611 --> 00:22:03,613
across cultural divides,

436
00:22:03,697 --> 00:22:05,323
across linguistic divides.

437
00:22:05,407 --> 00:22:10,912
Fairy tales are stories that have survived
for thousands of years for a reason,

438
00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:13,790
because they help us
think about these problems

439
00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:16,209
that are fundamental
to the human experience.

440
00:22:16,293 --> 00:22:18,086
The very best folktales

441
00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:21,882
are the ones
that are both highly adaptable,

442
00:22:21,965 --> 00:22:27,220
but also ones that really speak
to kind of fundamental truths,

443
00:22:27,304 --> 00:22:30,098
fundamental concerns,
that are going to be relevant

444
00:22:30,182 --> 00:22:33,185
to all humans everywhere
and at every time.

445
00:22:33,894 --> 00:22:37,022
I learned that don't talk to strangers,

446
00:22:37,105 --> 00:22:39,483
and always listen to your parents

447
00:22:39,566 --> 00:22:41,360
or the family you know.

448
00:22:41,443 --> 00:22:45,072
If I saw the wolf, I would
just keep walking, not talk to him,

449
00:22:45,155 --> 00:22:46,865
go to grandmother's house<i>,</i>

450
00:22:46,948 --> 00:22:49,201
and just eat, no stopping.

451
00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:51,995
You don't always have to

452
00:22:52,954 --> 00:22:54,498
wear something pretty

453
00:22:54,581 --> 00:22:56,500
or look pretty

454
00:22:56,583 --> 00:22:59,044
to be pretty from the inside.

455
00:22:59,127 --> 00:23:00,712
If the person liked you,

456
00:23:00,796 --> 00:23:04,800
or they wanted to be your friend,
they will like you for who you are.

457
00:23:04,883 --> 00:23:07,010
[in Spanish] If we believe
and trust ourselves,

458
00:23:07,094 --> 00:23:09,888
we can move forward, no matter what.

459
00:23:11,139 --> 00:23:13,642
[Negga in English] <i>And they lived</i>
<i>peacefully and prosperous.</i>

460
00:23:14,351 --> 00:23:18,063
<i>Or happily and contentedly</i>
<i>until the end of their days.</i>

461
00:23:18,146 --> 00:23:21,441
<i>Or in happiness and luxury</i>
<i>to this very day.</i>

462
00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:23,819
<i>Or happily ever after.</i>

463
00:23:25,028 --> 00:23:27,364
<i>Or snip, snap, snout,</i>
<i>and then the story was out.</i>

464
00:23:27,447 --> 00:23:30,325
[closing theme music playing]

