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♪ About to tell you who I are ♪

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♪ I came a long way
and I still got so far to go ♪

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♪ Tee off with this trademark flow ♪

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♪ And after tonight
I'm-a let the whole world know ♪

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♪ My name is Evidence ♪

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Of course they were all wrong. Why?

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The reason why we do what we do,

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you know, breaking the law,

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is it's an adrenaline rush.

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♪ I ain't never seen nothing ♪

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♪ Done in the light ♪

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♪ I paid for the price ♪

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♪ Being dust ♪

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♪ Now that you want me
I'm unseen ♪

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♪ Take what you want, babe ♪

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♪ Take it free ♪

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You know, we paint stuff on the street.

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That's where it belongs.

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Advertise your product or brand here
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You know, it's for the people.
It's for fun. It's for adventure.

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It's not to turn up in auction.

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Be careful whose artwork you steal

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because you're subject
to getting your ass beat.

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♪ Oh, but she came from the south ♪

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♪ I never seen her before ♪

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♪ I like the curve of her mouth ♪

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♪ She liked my moves on the floor ♪

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♪ Hey, boy, where are you from ♪

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♪ We're all from not around ♪

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♪ Why don't you call up your friends ♪

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♪ All the girls in your town ♪

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♪ I think her name was Denise ♪

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♪ She had that long blond e hair ♪

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♪ She said, "I'm friends with the band" ♪

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♪ I said, "Well, babe, I don't care" ♪

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♪ Hey, brother, why ain't you go ♪

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♪ Well, as a matter of fact ♪

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♪ I think I'm digging your friend ♪

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♪ Hey, she's standing out back ♪

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For decades, their work
was dismissed as simply vandalism.

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Now, it's the target of a multi million-
dollar international art grab,

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paintings removed from public spaces
without the artist's permission

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and sold at high-end art fairs,
galleries, and auction houses.

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You know, at least give me
the right to say

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what's gonna be in the gallery,
be at an auction.

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You can hate my stuff, you can love
my stuff, you can steal my stuff.

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Give me the right to say
what I want to sell or not sell.

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The most valuable?

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Works by British artist Banksy.

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His work is selling very well
at auctions for millions.

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There is, yeah, insane value
in the stuff that he paints.

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It's like fucking buying
elephant tusks or something. It's like,

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here's this beautiful, incredible animal,

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and you're just killing it
just so you could own a part of it?

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That is fucking foul.

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This was supposed
to be the story of what happened

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when Banksy came to San Francisco.

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Well, it's a Banksy.

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Instead, it became the story
of art dealers...

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If they would have balls,
they would say,

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"It's a real Banksy, so we show it."

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...museums...

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So, he's the Socialist rat.

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...and money.

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Last offer I had from a collector
was for $700,000.

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What would you do
if you were offered a small fortune

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for a painting
the artist didn't want sold?

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I got people that want to buy it
for $700,000,

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but I can't give it away for free.

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My name is Ben Eine,
and I was a graffiti artist.

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And now I'm a street artist for...

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yeah, want of a better phrase.

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My style is a form of typography,

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exploring words, their meanings,
taking things out of context.

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We rock hardest!

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It's a fucking cool name!

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A lot of the work I do on the street
is huge, great big words,

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or sentences or messages,

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or random, individual letters.

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Yeah, pretty much words and letters.

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Not pretty pictures and blue skylines.

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Our roots are in graffiti.

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Our interest was,
you know, the letter form,

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you know, exploring words,
exploring letters,

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changing the shapes of things.

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It's a global art movement.

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You know, you got people
like Roa, for example, from Belgium.

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What he does is just incredibly different

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from somebody like Os Gemeos from Brazil

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or Herakut from Germany.

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Someone came and invited me
to paint in New York.

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From there, I went to paint
in Philadelphia.

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Last year, we painted
a really beautiful wall in Rome.

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Each city crafts and creates
its own artists with its own styles.

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Retna, he's developed
a art form based on text,

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kind of leans towards,
like, gang graffiti, gang tagging.

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He's made it a beautiful art form.

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Risk, original writer,

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one of the first people to paint up
all the freeway signs in LA.

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I'm a pretty mellow dude, you know,
and I've been shot once,

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stabbed twice,
shot at multiple times,

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um, all for the love
of graffiti, you know?

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Revok, yeah,
again, original style,

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hardcore writer, hardcore bummer.

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Killed stuff.

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They send kids here in LA
to prison for eight, nine years,

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for doing graffiti.

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This kid Sight went to prison

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for eight years for painting graffiti,
nothing else.

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Hello. I am Anthony Lister.

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Anthony Lister, crazy Australian.

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That one looked great
from the roof,

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but it wasn't right from the street.

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He just embraces
everything that his art is.

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I don't care anymore.

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He is his art.

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The street is about me
controlling space.

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It's a fever, you know,
it's a disease, actually.

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Mayhem. Craziness. The end of the world.

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The beginning of the world.

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The remembrance of this world.

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Doze Green, uh, definitely not boring.

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He was there at the very beginning

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of the movement
that created this form of art.

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Paris in the early '70s, it was a movement
based around protest,

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and Blek le Rat was one
of the people that was doing that,

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and, you know,
he's continued doing it to this day.

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If you count the number of artists

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who are involved in this movement

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all over the world,
it's absolutely huge number.

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It's really huge, and I guess people
won't know how huge

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until it goes in the history books.

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Shoe, he stopped doing graffiti

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and he took his art form
in a different direction,

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and it's calligraphy, it's spray paint,

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and, again, he works with the letter form.

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The most famous street artist
is definitely Banksy.

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I think Banksy great.
We needed a Banksy.

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He's got something up here,
and he's saying something always.

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His creativity, just being totally clever,

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having something important to say.

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I think that Banksy has become
some a cultural happening

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that there's been,
like, the Banksy effect.

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I think Banksy'd been
in London about a year,

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and I'd seen these strange stencils,
these strange messages,

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these monkeys proclaiming
that one day they'll rule the world,

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these little rats with paintbrushes
that had written messages around,

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and it was like, "This is interesting.

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This is funnier than graffiti."

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One of the things that adds
to Banksy's fame,

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you know, it's a curse,

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is how secretive of his identity he is.

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No one knows who he is, who he is,

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what he looks like,

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what she looks like, so...

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Ben Eine is one
of a handful of artists

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who know Banksy's true identity.

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I first met Banksy
many years ago.

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Originally he didn't want people
to know who he was

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because what he was doing
was, you know, 99 % illegal.

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Yeah, the police would've loved
to have captured him.

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You know, newspapers in England

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would actively seek him out.

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They all tried to find out
who his parents are,

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try to find out who his friends are,

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try to find out what school he went to.

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They want to expose him.

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Banksy did
what we all want to do, man.

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You know, he made it, he did it,

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and, uh, he's doing it, and...

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You know, I think it's funny,
a lot of people are like,

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"Oh, man, he's not real.
He's not real."

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He's more real than all the people
saying he's not real.

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I know that for sure, you know?

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Everybody's aware that Banksy is,
you know, the biggest thing in street art.

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In April of 2010,
Banksy came to San Francisco.

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There were thousands
of people that came to San Francisco

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from LA, Nevada, Utah, Washington State.

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People came here
just to kind of do the Banksy tour.

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I'd get a text message
at 12 midnight the next night,

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"Hey, another piece just popped up."

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People saw what happened
to Andy Warhol.

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Banksy's compared, you know,
the next Andy Warhol.

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This is the Chinatown piece,

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and this is, I believe,
the first piece that was put up.

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The funny thing about this piece
is they actually went into the bakery

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a couple days before, and they actually
handed the bakery owners 50 bucks

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and said, "Do you mind if, you know,
we paint on your wall?"

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And they were, you know,
said, "Sure. What do we care?"

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I like that it has
a message to it.

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There's a lot of graffiti
that has beautiful pictures,

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but his artwork is the kind
that makes you think about things,

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and it's usually promoting peace
and nonviolence.

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It's been funny
to watch it transition

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from a community
that had no idea who Banksy was

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to one that just, you know,
loves this piece.

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It's now a piece
of the history of Chinatown.

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I think, at the time,
he was on a tour of America.

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But, yeah, he came to San Francisco
and painted a lot of stuff.

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It's a beautiful wall.

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I've actually hoped somebody

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was gonna do something here
for a long time,

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and hoped that it wasn't gonna suck.

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And, uh, it doesn't,
so we kind of lucked out.

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This is the Indian that was done
on Sycamore in the Mission.

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They actually backed up
with a moving truck,

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and they had two mattresses.

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And they put two mattresses
on either side of the-- this-- the wall.

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And then they stationed two guys
on each side,

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like, talking on their cell phones,

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just like, you know,
someone's moving stuff.

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They really are strategic
about not getting caught.

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There's not a lot of other street artists
that have a team or a crew of people

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that act as diversions so they don't
get picked up by the cops.

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Each morning,
the city woke to a new painting.

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This is the piece on Mission,
the bird in the tree.

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This is an interesting piece.

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Most people see just the tree,
but if you look,

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this tree in the background
actually makes the foliage on top.

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Paintings appeared in Fisherman's Wharf,

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the SOMA district, and North Beach.

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I think it's brilliant.

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So, I love that he's controversial,

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yet he has a consistency in his paintings
and you know it's him,

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and then also
there's just a class about it,

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'cause it's real, like, minute
and simple and kind of hidden.

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It's not over the top.

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This piece, they actually had ladders
going up to the building,

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and they draped down huge tarps,

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and so they kind
of covered up the ladders.

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And there was a party going on,
big party with hundreds of people,

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just up on a building over,
kind of across the street.

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So, they had to wait for, like, three
or four hours for this party to disperse

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to actually get up there
and do this piece.

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It probably took 'em,
you know, ten minutes,

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but they had to wait
about four hours to get it up.

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♪ Why am I treated so bad, h mm? ♪

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We view artists who paint
on property without permission

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as vandals.

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They're breaking the law.

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Different cities around the world

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deal with graffiti, street art,
in different ways.

243
00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,760
Basically, they want to get it cleaned off
and they don't want to pay for it.

244
00:15:27,843 --> 00:15:31,180
So, the way
that San Francisco deals with this

245
00:15:31,263 --> 00:15:34,683
is if you're a building owner
and your building gets tagged,

246
00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:38,312
then it's your responsibility
to paint over those tags

247
00:15:38,395 --> 00:15:40,439
or San Francisco will fine you.

248
00:15:43,025 --> 00:15:46,236
There was a lot of this dialog
going on that, you know,

249
00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,905
this guy really didn't care about it.

250
00:15:47,988 --> 00:15:49,782
He just wanted it off his building.

251
00:15:49,865 --> 00:15:55,454
He said the city really was harassing him
about getting it off as fast as possible.

252
00:15:55,537 --> 00:15:59,208
We're able to easily, you know,
put this on their tax bill

253
00:15:59,291 --> 00:16:01,835
and add a lien on the property
if they don't pay it.

254
00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:04,296
If he just cuts that out, you know,

255
00:16:04,380 --> 00:16:07,591
that'll go up for auction
for, like, $500,000, easy.

256
00:16:07,675 --> 00:16:09,301
No doubt, it'll sell,

257
00:16:09,385 --> 00:16:12,388
and, you know, it was painted over.

258
00:16:12,471 --> 00:16:15,349
Under the threat of fines
to the building owners,

259
00:16:15,432 --> 00:16:17,810
the building owners painted over it.

260
00:16:17,893 --> 00:16:22,231
Anything on street level got tagged
over by the graffiti artists, the taggers.

261
00:16:23,065 --> 00:16:27,820
It's been painted over. It's been tagged.
This one is basically destroyed.

262
00:16:27,903 --> 00:16:32,366
So, yeah. Basically as fast
as it went up, it came down.

263
00:16:44,086 --> 00:16:47,840
It's a huge thing for San Francisco
to have these Banksy paintings,

264
00:16:47,923 --> 00:16:51,093
but he'll do one,
and within a couple of days

265
00:16:51,176 --> 00:16:54,638
somebody's painted over it,
tagged over it, and it's gone.

266
00:16:54,722 --> 00:16:56,807
San Francisco
resident Brian Greif

267
00:16:56,890 --> 00:17:00,102
watched the paintings disappear one by one

268
00:17:00,185 --> 00:17:02,813
and decided to do something about it.

269
00:17:02,896 --> 00:17:07,735
His plan-- remove a painting
and donate it to a museum.

270
00:17:07,818 --> 00:17:10,821
I just want to save at least one of them

271
00:17:10,904 --> 00:17:14,241
so the city can enjoy it
for more than 48 hours.

272
00:17:14,324 --> 00:17:18,287
I would say 99.5 %
of everything I've painted...

273
00:17:19,288 --> 00:17:23,250
in-- within the context of graffiti
in the last 25 years is gone.

274
00:17:23,333 --> 00:17:24,918
It no longer exists.

275
00:17:25,002 --> 00:17:29,089
Our art is developed
with this attitude in mind,

276
00:17:29,173 --> 00:17:30,632
that it's not gonna last

277
00:17:30,716 --> 00:17:32,593
and it's never gonna exist forever.

278
00:17:32,676 --> 00:17:34,511
♪ I get by ♪

279
00:17:34,595 --> 00:17:35,929
♪ Got it good ♪

280
00:17:37,806 --> 00:17:40,309
♪ I barely get by ♪

281
00:17:40,392 --> 00:17:42,186
♪ Got it good ♪

282
00:17:43,604 --> 00:17:45,564
♪ I barely get by ♪

283
00:17:45,647 --> 00:17:47,399
♪ I stay a little high ♪

284
00:17:47,483 --> 00:17:49,068
♪ I ain't gonna lie ♪

285
00:17:49,151 --> 00:17:51,570
♪ I barely get by ♪

286
00:17:51,653 --> 00:17:52,821
♪ Stay a little high ♪

287
00:17:52,905 --> 00:17:54,615
♪ I ain't gonna lie ♪

288
00:17:54,698 --> 00:17:55,741
♪ Got it good ♪

289
00:17:55,824 --> 00:17:57,367
This is the one I wanted to save.

290
00:17:57,451 --> 00:18:00,454
You can see the walls--
The wall's been painted over.

291
00:18:00,537 --> 00:18:03,874
It's this white wall right here.

292
00:18:05,209 --> 00:18:08,879
It was the one that said,
"This'll look nice when it's framed."

293
00:18:08,962 --> 00:18:11,924
I still get emails to this day
asking if this piece is up,

294
00:18:12,007 --> 00:18:14,760
because this is a spectacular Banksy.

295
00:18:14,843 --> 00:18:18,388
That's where that Banksy was,
that white wall right there,

296
00:18:18,472 --> 00:18:20,432
and that one, it's gone already.

297
00:18:21,809 --> 00:18:24,103
Banksy left one final gift

298
00:18:24,186 --> 00:18:26,480
in the historic
Haight-Ashbury neighborhood,

299
00:18:26,563 --> 00:18:30,359
a massive painting extending
across two buildings.

300
00:18:30,442 --> 00:18:33,862
One on side, a six-foot-tall rat.

301
00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:36,698
On the other, a message to the city.

302
00:18:37,574 --> 00:18:41,370
Apparently, up here on a wall--
Yep, it's up there.

303
00:18:42,496 --> 00:18:47,251
It's still there. There's a Banksy rat
on siding that I can get down,

304
00:18:47,334 --> 00:18:51,421
so I'm gonna go try and see
if I can get permission to get that done.

305
00:18:51,505 --> 00:18:54,383
On one city block you see--
up above, you see,

306
00:18:54,466 --> 00:18:57,845
"This is where I draw the line,"
and then you have you know,

307
00:18:57,928 --> 00:19:01,890
one of Banksy's rats finishing it
on the other side of the building.

308
00:19:01,974 --> 00:19:08,063
The rat is one of Banksy's
most iconic images.

309
00:19:08,981 --> 00:19:13,652
Banksy has an army of rats
rallied all over the world.

310
00:19:16,780 --> 00:19:18,448
I don't know, why the rat?

311
00:19:18,532 --> 00:19:21,910
They're cheeky, funny,

312
00:19:21,994 --> 00:19:26,039
nasty, smelly, little things,

313
00:19:26,123 --> 00:19:28,250
a bit like graffiti artists,

314
00:19:28,333 --> 00:19:29,793
a bit like street artists.

315
00:19:35,215 --> 00:19:37,801
Uh, okay. I just talked to them.

316
00:19:37,885 --> 00:19:39,428
The rat's still there.

317
00:19:39,511 --> 00:19:43,807
It's on redwood siding,
so hopefully it can be taken down.

318
00:19:43,891 --> 00:19:47,311
The owner is incensed.

319
00:19:47,394 --> 00:19:49,146
That building is her baby.

320
00:19:49,229 --> 00:19:52,316
She's owned it since,
you know, the late '70s.

321
00:19:52,399 --> 00:19:54,109
It's her pride and joy,

322
00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:58,071
and she's preparing to paint
over the rat.

323
00:19:58,155 --> 00:20:00,824
And I just convinced them
not to paint over it.

324
00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:03,911
I told them that I want to try
and save it, and I'll work with them,

325
00:20:03,994 --> 00:20:05,412
so they've agreed to hold off.

326
00:20:05,495 --> 00:20:06,997
They're not gonna paint over it.

327
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,210
Hopefully I can get a deal done soon
before they paint over it

328
00:20:11,293 --> 00:20:12,961
or the city comes in
and paints over it

329
00:20:13,045 --> 00:20:14,922
or it gets destroyed
like the rest of them.

330
00:20:15,005 --> 00:20:16,757
Have you ever heard
of an artist named Banksy?

331
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,551
Yes, we have.
Wow, that's-- right there.

332
00:20:19,635 --> 00:20:22,596
Oh, that's a Banksy?
That's certainly not graffiti, then.

333
00:20:22,679 --> 00:20:24,514
I mean, it's a respected artist.

334
00:20:24,598 --> 00:20:26,683
If you cut that out
and you put that on e Bay,

335
00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:29,353
it's worth about $10,000,
I mean, I'd say keep it.

336
00:20:37,194 --> 00:20:40,155
Negotiations with the building owner
began in May,

337
00:20:40,239 --> 00:20:43,659
and will take months
of tedious back and forth to complete.

338
00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:46,411
The owner of the building
is so upset

339
00:20:46,495 --> 00:20:49,456
that Banksy painted the rat
on her building, she won't talk to me.

340
00:20:49,539 --> 00:20:51,083
She wants me to talk to her manager,

341
00:20:51,166 --> 00:20:53,543
and the problem is
he won't return phone calls or emails,

342
00:20:53,627 --> 00:20:55,545
so I'm already kind of at a standstill.

343
00:20:56,213 --> 00:20:58,215
Yeah, from what I understand of the story,

344
00:20:58,298 --> 00:20:59,800
it was a long...

345
00:20:59,883 --> 00:21:02,135
They're worried that I might
damage the building...

346
00:21:02,219 --> 00:21:04,888
- ...painful...
- They're worried about the reaction

347
00:21:04,972 --> 00:21:07,557
- from the community...
- ...drawn-out operation.

348
00:21:07,641 --> 00:21:09,476
They want to sell it.

349
00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:11,144
It's clear now they're trying to sell it.

350
00:21:16,441 --> 00:21:19,111
They think they can take it down
and sell it on e Bay,

351
00:21:19,194 --> 00:21:22,155
and I'm trying to talk them
out of that.

352
00:21:22,239 --> 00:21:25,033
You know, Banksy gave
these people a gift...

353
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:33,125
and everyone involved in the project

354
00:21:33,208 --> 00:21:35,210
that actually doesn't even care
about the art...

355
00:21:39,256 --> 00:21:41,425
just sees an opportunity
to make some money.

356
00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:44,761
The problem now is the city
keeps sending the building owner

357
00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:46,888
these letters threatening to fine her

358
00:21:46,972 --> 00:21:48,765
if she doesn't take the painting down.

359
00:21:48,849 --> 00:21:52,352
They're actually threatening
to remove the graffiti themselves

360
00:21:52,436 --> 00:21:54,604
if she doesn't remove it
within 30 days.

361
00:21:56,398 --> 00:21:58,025
As time ticked by,

362
00:21:58,108 --> 00:22:00,736
the rat was in constant danger.

363
00:22:01,862 --> 00:22:04,114
So, you can see somebody
got up on the roof last night

364
00:22:04,197 --> 00:22:05,699
and tagged over the words.

365
00:22:05,782 --> 00:22:07,492
Thankfully, the rat's still in one piece.

366
00:22:07,576 --> 00:22:09,077
They didn't mess with the rat.

367
00:22:09,161 --> 00:22:11,163
I'm gonna have to focus
on getting the rat down.

368
00:22:11,246 --> 00:22:13,081
This is just getting too complicated.

369
00:22:13,165 --> 00:22:16,793
August, the deal changes
once again.

370
00:22:16,877 --> 00:22:18,962
My original deal with them months ago

371
00:22:19,046 --> 00:22:21,214
was I would take the rat
off this side of the building,

372
00:22:21,298 --> 00:22:24,009
I would repair damage to the wall
on that side of the building,

373
00:22:24,092 --> 00:22:25,510
and give them a cash donation.

374
00:22:25,594 --> 00:22:26,762
Now the deal's changed.

375
00:22:26,845 --> 00:22:28,930
They still want everything
on that side of the wall,

376
00:22:29,014 --> 00:22:30,474
they still want the cash donation,

377
00:22:30,557 --> 00:22:33,185
but now they want me to repair damage
on the other side of the building,

378
00:22:33,268 --> 00:22:37,939
so we're talking new fees for materials,
carpentry, scaffolding,

379
00:22:38,023 --> 00:22:41,318
lead paint abatement,
permits, legal fees...

380
00:22:41,401 --> 00:22:42,903
October.

381
00:22:42,986 --> 00:22:45,238
Gonna cut straight up
and take this whole 16"...

382
00:22:45,322 --> 00:22:50,786
Experts were brought in to figure out
the best way to remove the painting.

383
00:22:50,869 --> 00:22:52,120
...go easily back.

384
00:22:53,038 --> 00:22:55,665
Then the cost kept on escalating.

385
00:22:55,749 --> 00:22:57,459
Thanks. Bye-bye.

386
00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:00,670
So, that's a voice mail that I just got

387
00:23:00,754 --> 00:23:02,714
from the guy that owns
the building next door

388
00:23:02,798 --> 00:23:04,716
to the Red Victorian Inn
where the rat is.

389
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,885
We need access to the roof of his building

390
00:23:06,968 --> 00:23:09,054
to get scaffolding up
to take the rat down,

391
00:23:09,137 --> 00:23:11,264
and he's found out
who Banksy is now,

392
00:23:11,348 --> 00:23:14,684
and he wants $5,000
for access to his roof.

393
00:23:14,768 --> 00:23:19,272
November. The building owner
has one final request

394
00:23:19,356 --> 00:23:21,525
before the rat could be removed.

395
00:23:22,526 --> 00:23:23,985
We finally have an agreement,

396
00:23:24,069 --> 00:23:28,532
and the last part of the agreement
is she holds a two-hour discussion

397
00:23:28,615 --> 00:23:31,785
at the Red Vic every Sunday morning
about world peace,

398
00:23:31,868 --> 00:23:33,870
and before she'll sign the contract

399
00:23:33,954 --> 00:23:37,207
I have to go to the two-hour
world peace discussion at the Red Vic.

400
00:23:45,715 --> 00:23:47,342
I don't need
all of that at the bottom...

401
00:23:48,510 --> 00:23:50,220
...where that last piece of siding is.

402
00:23:50,303 --> 00:23:52,848
I just want the painting from here on up.

403
00:23:52,931 --> 00:23:54,975
Oh, awesome, that helps us quite a bit.

404
00:23:55,058 --> 00:23:57,060
Any, if there's-- any of that wood...

405
00:23:59,521 --> 00:24:00,522
All right.

406
00:24:03,024 --> 00:24:04,442
Well, it's a Banksy.

407
00:24:05,861 --> 00:24:08,321
It's bringing a lot of attention
to street art,

408
00:24:08,405 --> 00:24:10,365
and street artists in general,
all across the world.

409
00:24:10,448 --> 00:24:12,742
That's, I think the goal
for a lot of street artists,

410
00:24:12,826 --> 00:24:16,246
is they want to engage
with more people,

411
00:24:16,329 --> 00:24:18,123
connect with more people
through their art.

412
00:24:18,206 --> 00:24:20,125
They don't want to limit
themselves to a gallery,

413
00:24:20,208 --> 00:24:21,418
and the fact that it's free.

414
00:24:22,419 --> 00:24:24,045
You know, well...

415
00:24:25,213 --> 00:24:28,550
This location in particular is--
It's just so damn high.

416
00:24:28,633 --> 00:24:30,177
You're like, "How did he get up there?"

417
00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:31,511
You can see the roof here,

418
00:24:31,595 --> 00:24:33,597
they think he might've stayed
in one of the rooms,

419
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,640
and accessed
through one of these fire escapes

420
00:24:35,724 --> 00:24:37,100
and came up this ladder.

421
00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:40,437
But we're two stories up
above Haight Street in San Francisco,

422
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,148
and it's not easy to get up here.

423
00:24:44,858 --> 00:24:48,153
He got on the roof and came down here.

424
00:24:48,236 --> 00:24:52,199
They're working right now
to begin taking the painting down.

425
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,911
And there's the rat,
looking down on Haight Street.

426
00:24:57,037 --> 00:24:59,539
I guess we're officially starting.

427
00:25:00,540 --> 00:25:03,627
The scoring is the part
that concerns me the most.

428
00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:05,420
So, that's
what he's doing right now.

429
00:25:05,503 --> 00:25:07,464
That's what he's doing
right now with the knife.

430
00:25:07,547 --> 00:25:10,550
He's scoring, he's trying to cut
the overlapping paint,

431
00:25:10,634 --> 00:25:11,927
the hundred years of paint,

432
00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:15,972
so we can take
each piece of siding off cleanly.

433
00:25:16,056 --> 00:25:18,350
This is where we have
to be careful, though.

434
00:25:18,433 --> 00:25:22,604
Take care not to keep
from peeling the paint.

435
00:25:22,687 --> 00:25:24,731
They can scratch the painting.

436
00:25:24,814 --> 00:25:27,817
Big pieces of paint will come off.

437
00:25:27,901 --> 00:25:30,779
And I hope I didn't spend
an awful lot of money

438
00:25:30,862 --> 00:25:34,532
on a bunch of worthless
hundred-year-old redwood siding.

439
00:25:34,616 --> 00:25:36,701
This is the hardest part
right here, huh?

440
00:25:36,785 --> 00:25:39,079
Uh, I don't know.

441
00:25:39,162 --> 00:25:40,872
I hope so!

442
00:25:51,091 --> 00:25:53,677
The second most dangerous part
is actually then,

443
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,887
we're gonna take each piece
of siding down

444
00:25:55,971 --> 00:25:57,847
and cut the nails off from behind.

445
00:25:57,931 --> 00:25:59,933
So, we have to pry it,
get each piece loose,

446
00:26:00,016 --> 00:26:02,227
and then they're gonna cut
the nails from behind

447
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:04,688
so each piece will come off
without nail pops

448
00:26:04,771 --> 00:26:06,982
and without damage to the front.

449
00:26:07,065 --> 00:26:08,984
Relief?

450
00:26:09,067 --> 00:26:10,485
Not-- No, not yet.

451
00:26:10,568 --> 00:26:11,861
Not yet?

452
00:26:11,945 --> 00:26:14,072
Nowhere near relief yet.

453
00:26:15,198 --> 00:26:17,075
...worry about the painting.

454
00:26:17,158 --> 00:26:18,952
It's a little bit easier.

455
00:26:19,953 --> 00:26:20,912
- So...
- Here.

456
00:26:20,996 --> 00:26:24,791
But we've got about three feet
of crawlspace there,

457
00:26:24,874 --> 00:26:26,668
so I can crawl back in there
and cut from behind.

458
00:26:26,751 --> 00:26:29,921
...cut from behind,
so this is-- this is good, yeah.

459
00:26:39,973 --> 00:26:41,141
You're good.

460
00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:46,021
All right, here you go, Brian.

461
00:26:50,317 --> 00:26:52,319
I don't think it could've gone any better.

462
00:26:52,402 --> 00:26:54,321
First major piece is now off.

463
00:26:54,404 --> 00:26:55,947
From here they got room to move,

464
00:26:56,031 --> 00:26:58,450
room to saw the nails off from behind.

465
00:26:59,743 --> 00:27:00,994
So far, so good.

466
00:27:11,963 --> 00:27:13,923
You want me to try cutting...

467
00:27:14,924 --> 00:27:18,678
All right. Again, I don't think
it could've gone any better.

468
00:27:19,804 --> 00:27:22,140
- Perfect.
- You want me to try cutting that...

469
00:27:22,223 --> 00:27:23,808
The rat's face!

470
00:27:23,892 --> 00:27:25,435
Critical part.

471
00:27:32,275 --> 00:27:34,444
Last piece.

472
00:27:34,527 --> 00:27:36,404
- Yeah!
- All right.

473
00:27:36,488 --> 00:27:37,489
It goes.

474
00:27:39,616 --> 00:27:41,368
- Is that it?
- Yep, that's it.

475
00:27:49,584 --> 00:27:52,796
That's it. That's what the Banksy
looks like when it's not on the wall.

476
00:27:52,879 --> 00:27:54,672
Everything is all wrapped
and ready to go.

477
00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:56,591
We just need to find
somebody to restore it

478
00:27:56,674 --> 00:27:58,093
and find a museum to put it in.

479
00:28:13,233 --> 00:28:16,486
♪ You leave your home for days and daze ♪

480
00:28:16,569 --> 00:28:20,281
A painting by controversial
British graffiti artist Banksy

481
00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:23,785
has been removed from a building
on Haight Street in San Francisco.

482
00:28:23,868 --> 00:28:26,871
The building's owner received
a notice from the city

483
00:28:26,955 --> 00:28:30,959
to remove that Banksy artwork
under the city's anti-graffiti ordinance.

484
00:28:31,042 --> 00:28:33,795
So, instead of painting over the piece,
the owner of the building

485
00:28:33,878 --> 00:28:36,005
made arrangements
with an art collector

486
00:28:36,089 --> 00:28:37,757
who plans to restore the painting

487
00:28:37,841 --> 00:28:41,386
and offer it to a museum
for public display.

488
00:28:43,263 --> 00:28:46,933
The painting is down.
It's all wrapped.

489
00:28:47,016 --> 00:28:49,894
It's in safe storage,
if you consider the closet

490
00:28:49,978 --> 00:28:52,355
in my one-bedroom apartment safe storage.

491
00:28:52,439 --> 00:28:53,898
That's where I'm keeping it.

492
00:28:55,859 --> 00:28:59,571
As soon as word got out the rat
on Haight-Ashbury was being removed,

493
00:28:59,654 --> 00:29:01,573
offers from around the world
started coming in,

494
00:29:01,656 --> 00:29:03,908
and there were numerous offers

495
00:29:03,992 --> 00:29:05,702
for numerous amounts of money.

496
00:29:05,785 --> 00:29:10,290
I've gotten even faxes from art dealers,

497
00:29:10,373 --> 00:29:12,208
consignment agreements,

498
00:29:12,292 --> 00:29:14,502
offering to pay me over $100,000,

499
00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:17,005
$200,000 in one case.

500
00:29:17,088 --> 00:29:18,548
I'm not gonna back down.

501
00:29:18,631 --> 00:29:22,594
My goal is to find a place to put this
where the public can enjoy it.

502
00:29:22,677 --> 00:29:26,473
Eventually, a meeting was arranged
with John Zarobell

503
00:29:26,556 --> 00:29:29,684
from the San Francisco Museum
of Modern Art

504
00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:31,853
about preserving the piece,

505
00:29:31,936 --> 00:29:34,230
about the piece going
into their collection.

506
00:29:34,314 --> 00:29:38,651
Okay, we're pulling up to
the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art

507
00:29:38,735 --> 00:29:41,988
and talked to them
about donating the Banksy.

508
00:29:42,071 --> 00:29:45,492
They've said that they're interested
in taking the Banksy from me,

509
00:29:45,575 --> 00:29:48,077
so this is SF MOMA right here.

510
00:29:56,503 --> 00:29:58,463
We touch on a lot
of different worlds of art,

511
00:29:58,546 --> 00:30:01,174
and many curators are involved
in many different domains.

512
00:30:01,257 --> 00:30:04,052
So, when someone like Banksy comes,

513
00:30:04,135 --> 00:30:05,595
that is-- that's got star power

514
00:30:05,678 --> 00:30:07,597
in a totally different artistic domain,

515
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,183
um, that maybe we're not
the most attentive to.

516
00:30:10,266 --> 00:30:14,145
You know, seeing this,
it's funny because here he blends,

517
00:30:14,229 --> 00:30:18,107
A) the stencil, B) the loose lettering,

518
00:30:18,191 --> 00:30:20,652
you know, just sort of writing
with the spray paint,

519
00:30:20,735 --> 00:30:24,322
and then, C) the throwing the paint
on the wall, alá Jackson Pollack.

520
00:30:24,405 --> 00:30:27,492
There's this level of street art,
perhaps teenagers with spray paint,

521
00:30:27,575 --> 00:30:29,911
and then there's his,
which is actually, you know,

522
00:30:29,994 --> 00:30:32,872
a pretty developed pictorial effect.
It's, you know, two-tone.

523
00:30:32,956 --> 00:30:36,292
He's figuring out how to use the stencil
and make it into a complex--

524
00:30:36,376 --> 00:30:37,710
actually, three-tone piece.

525
00:30:37,794 --> 00:30:41,172
I mean, this is
a pretty complex piece of stencil.

526
00:30:42,298 --> 00:30:45,718
You know, this is a very sort
of rudimentary piece of street art,

527
00:30:45,802 --> 00:30:47,345
but it's an antiquated idea, right?

528
00:30:47,428 --> 00:30:49,722
This is sort of love and peace.

529
00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:52,225
Now, this is actually in the Haight.

530
00:30:52,308 --> 00:30:54,936
It's sort of Banksy's iconic rat.

531
00:30:55,019 --> 00:30:58,189
Oh, yeah.
With the little star cap on, right.

532
00:30:58,273 --> 00:31:01,818
So, he's the Socialist rat.

533
00:31:01,901 --> 00:31:03,361
- I took it down.
- Mm.

534
00:31:03,444 --> 00:31:05,154
Which is very controversial.

535
00:31:05,238 --> 00:31:09,409
I had an offer last week
from, uh, an art dealer in LA.

536
00:31:09,492 --> 00:31:11,494
- Right.
- He offered me $200,000.

537
00:31:11,578 --> 00:31:13,037
Oh, my gosh.

538
00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:15,790
I took that down not to sell it,
but I'm taking it down

539
00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:19,961
in the hopes that I can donate it
somewhere so it is on public display.

540
00:31:20,044 --> 00:31:23,172
- Right.
- So, in my original email to--

541
00:31:23,256 --> 00:31:25,425
- to, I think it was to Peter Denny...
- Mm-h mm.

542
00:31:25,508 --> 00:31:29,012
...was would you be interested
if I donated this piece.

543
00:31:29,095 --> 00:31:32,432
Is it something that SF MOMA
would be interested in?

544
00:31:32,515 --> 00:31:33,766
- Well, I mean--
- As a donation.

545
00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:35,977
That's a really good question,
because as I said,

546
00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:37,896
we have worked with artists
who've done this,

547
00:31:37,979 --> 00:31:40,440
and for us to figure out
what our limits are

548
00:31:40,523 --> 00:31:44,402
and how we understand
what our collection policies are,

549
00:31:44,485 --> 00:31:46,905
this is something that's constantly
expanding and changing.

550
00:31:46,988 --> 00:31:48,948
I'm actually gonna interrupt here

551
00:31:49,032 --> 00:31:51,576
and say, yeah, I think we
can stop this lying.

552
00:31:51,659 --> 00:31:54,829
Um, is the camera off?

553
00:32:03,129 --> 00:32:05,924
They stopped the conversation
and basically ushered us out.

554
00:32:06,007 --> 00:32:10,011
And I got an email
from John Zarobell today that says,

555
00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:16,726
"I just brought up the possible Banksy
donation to our department head meeting,

556
00:32:16,809 --> 00:32:18,895
and there are a couple of things
we'd like to know.

557
00:32:23,399 --> 00:32:24,901
And, he says...

558
00:32:29,030 --> 00:32:33,117
Well, Banksy can't sign off on it
for a number of different reasons.

559
00:32:33,201 --> 00:32:36,621
He doesn't authenticate his street pieces
because people are taking them down

560
00:32:36,704 --> 00:32:39,457
and selling them at auction
for huge amounts of money,

561
00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:42,335
and then the other issue with Banksy
is a legal issue.

562
00:32:42,418 --> 00:32:47,548
If he signs a letter of authentication,
he's admitting to a crime,

563
00:32:47,632 --> 00:32:49,842
since he doesn't get permission
from the building owners

564
00:32:49,926 --> 00:32:51,427
to go up and paint on their buildings.

565
00:32:52,261 --> 00:32:57,016
These institutions are being offered
the chance to own a Banksy for nothing,

566
00:32:57,100 --> 00:33:00,979
no strings attached, and they want
to attach strings to it,

567
00:33:01,062 --> 00:33:03,564
and they want to say no.

568
00:33:03,648 --> 00:33:05,066
I think, at the end of the day,

569
00:33:05,149 --> 00:33:09,070
it's just the old guard
trying to maintain their real estate

570
00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:11,614
and hold on as long as they can.

571
00:33:11,698 --> 00:33:15,994
People would like to see it.
It's, you know, it's exciting.

572
00:33:16,077 --> 00:33:18,788
It blows everything else
out of the water.

573
00:33:18,871 --> 00:33:21,708
But, you know, it's run by old people,
and they don't enjoy it.

574
00:33:21,791 --> 00:33:26,838
I just got an email back from
my contact over in Banksy's operation.

575
00:33:26,921 --> 00:33:28,339
It seems kind of upbeat.

576
00:33:28,423 --> 00:33:32,093
I would just talk to your MOMA person
and tell them to be on the lookout

577
00:33:32,176 --> 00:33:35,722
for an email in from, um,
it's gonna be Pest Control.

578
00:33:35,805 --> 00:33:38,182
That's Banksy's
little operation over there.

579
00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:40,351
I'll talk to you later.
All right, bye-bye.

580
00:33:41,477 --> 00:33:44,939
So, that's a friend that has contacts
with Banksy's people.

581
00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:47,358
I asked him to call
and see if we could get something

582
00:33:47,442 --> 00:33:49,402
so we could get this in SF MOMA,

583
00:33:49,485 --> 00:33:52,071
and as you heard on the call,
he sounds optimistic.

584
00:34:01,956 --> 00:34:03,875
Some artists make work for...

585
00:34:03,958 --> 00:34:05,209
to be destroyed, right?

586
00:34:05,293 --> 00:34:06,794
They don't want the art to survive.

587
00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:07,879
And if that's the case,

588
00:34:07,962 --> 00:34:09,255
it's not the museum's business

589
00:34:09,338 --> 00:34:12,258
to preserve it
against the wishes of the artist.

590
00:34:12,341 --> 00:34:15,344
Again, you were looking
for some sort of document

591
00:34:15,428 --> 00:34:17,346
or letter or something from Banksy

592
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:19,724
that said, "I want this in the museum."

593
00:34:19,807 --> 00:34:23,061
That, and also, of course,
to say, "Yes, this is my work."

594
00:34:23,144 --> 00:34:25,980
And with street art, obviously, that's
the kind of issue that it wouldn't be

595
00:34:26,064 --> 00:34:27,899
if you were buying a work of art
from a dealer.

596
00:34:27,982 --> 00:34:31,110
The museum wouldn't accept it
unless they had a document

597
00:34:31,194 --> 00:34:34,989
from Banksy's people saying
it was a real Banksy.

598
00:34:36,032 --> 00:34:38,409
For all you San Franciscans
that are wondering

599
00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:40,203
if these were authentic Banksies,

600
00:34:40,286 --> 00:34:43,623
you come to his site,
go on his Outdoor section.

601
00:34:43,706 --> 00:34:45,833
Chinatown piece.

602
00:34:45,917 --> 00:34:47,794
This is how he authenticates it.

603
00:34:47,877 --> 00:34:48,920
Puts up a picture.

604
00:34:49,003 --> 00:34:51,631
This is the piece on Mission,
the bird and the tree.

605
00:34:51,714 --> 00:34:54,342
Here you have the piece on Sycamore.

606
00:34:55,176 --> 00:34:57,428
This is the piece on Valencia.

607
00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:02,141
This is the piece
at the Regency Ballroom, in the alley.

608
00:35:02,225 --> 00:35:06,521
The beginning of the piece on the Haight,
"This is where I draw the line."

609
00:35:06,604 --> 00:35:10,233
And then you have, you know,
one of Banksy's rats

610
00:35:10,316 --> 00:35:12,235
finishing it
on the other side of the building.

611
00:35:12,318 --> 00:35:13,778
We don't want to do something

612
00:35:13,861 --> 00:35:15,988
that the artist doesn't feel
is appropriate, right?

613
00:35:16,072 --> 00:35:19,742
If a work of art is made
for a public venue to be out in public,

614
00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:22,245
then perhaps the artist doesn't want
to see it in a museum.

615
00:35:22,328 --> 00:35:25,331
Graffiti, street art, it scares them.

616
00:35:25,414 --> 00:35:27,500
You know, if they had any idea,

617
00:35:27,583 --> 00:35:29,293
they would be buying it now,

618
00:35:29,377 --> 00:35:31,796
snapping it up,
and putting it in their collection.

619
00:35:31,879 --> 00:35:35,341
Graffiti to them is so new,
they don't know good and bad.

620
00:35:35,424 --> 00:35:37,844
You know, they don't know the difference
between this kid,

621
00:35:37,927 --> 00:35:40,555
this little kid that's picked up
a spray can for the first time

622
00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:43,432
and this guy that's been doing it
for 20, 30 years.

623
00:35:43,516 --> 00:35:45,768
To them, they don't know the difference.

624
00:35:45,852 --> 00:35:48,896
There are too many people in this world
you can make happy with this,

625
00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:53,234
to-- to worry about those
who don't appreciate it, so...

626
00:35:53,860 --> 00:35:55,611
We'll just go where people like us.

627
00:35:55,695 --> 00:36:02,243
The question is when are we gonna be
recognized by the people in power?

628
00:36:02,326 --> 00:36:04,412
I don't know when it's gonna be.

629
00:36:04,495 --> 00:36:06,247
Maybe in ten years, 20 years.

630
00:36:06,330 --> 00:36:08,499
Maybe when old people...

631
00:36:09,834 --> 00:36:14,672
Maybe when the movement
will be finished, I don't know.

632
00:36:14,755 --> 00:36:16,966
It's a very difficult question.

633
00:36:17,049 --> 00:36:19,510
Three modern museums
were offered the painting.

634
00:36:19,594 --> 00:36:22,763
None of them were interested
in taking it unless there was

635
00:36:22,847 --> 00:36:25,892
a document from Banksy's people
saying it was a real Banksy,

636
00:36:25,975 --> 00:36:27,518
although it obviously was.

637
00:36:35,067 --> 00:36:37,695
The museums weren't interested.

638
00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:41,115
But other people were.

639
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,534
I think the ones on concrete,
they are very powerful.

640
00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:48,331
Stephan Keszler is one of the world's
leading dealers of Banksy street pieces.

641
00:36:48,414 --> 00:36:53,044
He sells Banksy paintings,
but without the artist's permission.

642
00:36:53,127 --> 00:36:57,256
In the street art world,
he's considered a shyster, a villain.

643
00:36:57,340 --> 00:37:02,220
Himself, he considers himself
to be Banksy's biggest fan.

644
00:37:03,804 --> 00:37:06,265
In my opinion,
there's nothing more beautiful

645
00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:08,142
to, uh, see...

646
00:37:09,852 --> 00:37:11,812
original Banksy street works,

647
00:37:11,896 --> 00:37:14,190
because they're really amazing.

648
00:37:15,399 --> 00:37:17,902
All over the world,
these paintings were removed.

649
00:37:17,985 --> 00:37:21,656
They wind up in auction, and they go
for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

650
00:37:21,739 --> 00:37:23,699
Is that Banksy?

651
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:26,494
- Banksy.
- It is?

652
00:37:26,577 --> 00:37:28,120
People make art,
they make it in context.

653
00:37:28,204 --> 00:37:30,039
There's a reason
that they're doing it, right?

654
00:37:30,122 --> 00:37:32,250
And for someone to buy art
taken out of context

655
00:37:32,333 --> 00:37:33,668
or taken off of a wall

656
00:37:33,751 --> 00:37:36,671
or, you know, appropriated
without the artist's permission,

657
00:37:36,754 --> 00:37:39,340
I mean, why are you doing that,
for a fucking investment?

658
00:37:39,423 --> 00:37:42,093
What I do if I take a piece of art

659
00:37:42,176 --> 00:37:46,138
that kids could profit from
by looking at it

660
00:37:46,222 --> 00:37:51,018
and I turn it into this good
that just benefits myself,

661
00:37:51,102 --> 00:37:53,854
it's really depriving
my neighborhood children

662
00:37:53,938 --> 00:37:55,398
of seeing something beautiful.

663
00:37:55,481 --> 00:37:58,359
We have an expertise
how to handle these pieces,

664
00:37:58,442 --> 00:38:01,279
how to get them from the wall,
how to help them.

665
00:38:01,362 --> 00:38:03,739
We will never taken them
personally from the wall,

666
00:38:03,823 --> 00:38:07,868
but I think it's better to take them
from the wall than--

667
00:38:07,952 --> 00:38:09,912
from a house wall or a garage--

668
00:38:09,996 --> 00:38:12,456
than to have white paint over them

669
00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:14,542
because then they are gone forever.

670
00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:16,127
I just think it's self-serving.

671
00:38:16,210 --> 00:38:19,005
It's pretty selfish for a person
to take something off

672
00:38:19,088 --> 00:38:23,592
that is actually, like, there
for the public to enjoy or hate,

673
00:38:23,676 --> 00:38:25,553
but it's still there for the public.

674
00:38:26,554 --> 00:38:30,391
Yeah, you know, you know,
we paint stuff on the street.

675
00:38:30,474 --> 00:38:32,310
That's where it belongs.

676
00:38:32,393 --> 00:38:35,271
Some of these works are massive,

677
00:38:35,354 --> 00:38:38,190
and, you know, weigh thousands of pounds.

678
00:38:38,274 --> 00:38:41,319
Yeah, you know, they're cut out
from fucking brick walls,

679
00:38:41,402 --> 00:38:44,780
concrete walls, jackhammers,
diamond-tipped saws,

680
00:38:44,864 --> 00:38:46,615
packaged up, stored,

681
00:38:46,699 --> 00:38:49,827
and then six months later
wind up in an auction house,

682
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:53,372
and that's not where they're meant to be.

683
00:38:53,456 --> 00:38:59,211
His work is selling
very well at auctions for millions.

684
00:38:59,295 --> 00:39:06,052
His work is collected
at very high-end collectors.

685
00:39:06,135 --> 00:39:10,389
You know, we make stuff in our studios,
and this is the stuff we sign,

686
00:39:10,473 --> 00:39:11,640
this is the stuff we sell,

687
00:39:11,724 --> 00:39:15,936
this is the stuff that we want
to represent us in the future.

688
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:19,273
This is the stuff that,
if it turns up in auction,

689
00:39:19,357 --> 00:39:21,776
you know, we're proud for it to be there.

690
00:39:21,859 --> 00:39:24,904
The stuff we paint
on the street isn't that.

691
00:39:24,987 --> 00:39:27,239
You know, it's for the people,

692
00:39:27,323 --> 00:39:30,368
it's for fun, it's for adventure,

693
00:39:30,451 --> 00:39:31,994
it's for adrenaline.

694
00:39:32,078 --> 00:39:33,829
It's not to turn up in auction.

695
00:39:33,913 --> 00:39:37,041
I do all kinds of artwork, but there's
a lot of stuff I don't want in a gallery.

696
00:39:37,124 --> 00:39:38,751
It's not meant to be in a gallery.

697
00:39:38,834 --> 00:39:40,753
It's not meant to be in an auction.

698
00:39:40,836 --> 00:39:42,671
You know, at least give me
the right to say

699
00:39:42,755 --> 00:39:45,174
what's gonna be in a gallery
or be at an auction.

700
00:39:45,257 --> 00:39:48,052
You can hate my stuff, you can love
my stuff, you can steal my stuff.

701
00:39:48,135 --> 00:39:51,138
Give me the right to say
what I want to sell or not sell.

702
00:39:51,222 --> 00:39:53,808
I never sign the stuff
that I paint in the street.

703
00:39:53,891 --> 00:39:58,562
Everything I've ever painted
in the street as the artist "Ben Eine,"

704
00:39:58,646 --> 00:40:00,231
I never put my tag to it.

705
00:40:00,856 --> 00:40:03,818
You know, I don't want that stuff
turning up at auction.

706
00:40:03,901 --> 00:40:07,363
Banksy has condemned the sale
of his public works,

707
00:40:07,446 --> 00:40:10,908
but Keszler says he's doing
Banksy a favor.

708
00:40:10,991 --> 00:40:17,415
I think if Banksy is honest
to himself sometimes,

709
00:40:17,498 --> 00:40:20,835
when he goes to bed
and he doesn't have to do his PR,

710
00:40:20,918 --> 00:40:25,673
I think, in a way,
he's thankful that we do this.

711
00:40:30,428 --> 00:40:32,763
Keszler was organizing
a controversial exhibit

712
00:40:32,847 --> 00:40:35,182
at the world's
largest art fair in Miami...

713
00:40:36,684 --> 00:40:40,855
an exhibit showcasing
four Banksy street pieces,

714
00:40:40,938 --> 00:40:43,274
all without the artist's permission.

715
00:40:45,818 --> 00:40:49,113
We acquiring more Banksy street works,

716
00:40:49,196 --> 00:40:51,449
and the other thing is,

717
00:40:51,532 --> 00:40:54,743
uh, we would like to show this,
as I said before,

718
00:40:54,827 --> 00:40:57,413
to as many people
in the world as possible.

719
00:40:57,496 --> 00:41:00,207
You know, this isn't a Banksy show.

720
00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:04,336
It's a show of his work
taken from the street.

721
00:41:04,420 --> 00:41:08,841
You know, news people
from all around the world were interested.

722
00:41:08,924 --> 00:41:10,593
It was extremely controversial.

723
00:41:11,427 --> 00:41:13,721
Keszler claimed
after the exhibit

724
00:41:13,804 --> 00:41:14,972
some of his Banksy pieces

725
00:41:15,055 --> 00:41:17,057
would be donated to a museum.

726
00:41:17,558 --> 00:41:20,144
Our goal would be, or is,

727
00:41:20,227 --> 00:41:23,647
that maybe when people see these works

728
00:41:23,731 --> 00:41:27,067
and talk about these works
at this high-end venue

729
00:41:27,151 --> 00:41:31,989
that we can make a deal
with some of the museums,

730
00:41:32,072 --> 00:41:33,741
better museums in the world,

731
00:41:33,824 --> 00:41:37,578
and we would love to give
those works to museums

732
00:41:37,661 --> 00:41:39,455
to show to more people.

733
00:41:39,538 --> 00:41:43,292
So, I just got this email
from Stephan Keszler's gallery,

734
00:41:43,375 --> 00:41:45,544
- and it says...
- Desperate to find a home for the rat...

735
00:41:48,964 --> 00:41:52,551
...Brian called Keszler
to discuss museums.

736
00:41:52,635 --> 00:41:55,513
My original intent
was to take it down and donate it

737
00:41:55,596 --> 00:41:58,390
to the San Francisco Museum
of Modern Art.

738
00:41:58,474 --> 00:42:00,893
Yeah, you see, everybody's afraid

739
00:42:00,976 --> 00:42:04,438
to do certain things
which Banksy doesn't want,

740
00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:09,485
and Banksy doesn't want to do this
because then if he says to one museum,

741
00:42:09,568 --> 00:42:13,405
"Okay, you get a street piece
and I authenticate it," right,

742
00:42:13,489 --> 00:42:15,366
then he made an exception
of the exception,

743
00:42:15,449 --> 00:42:17,326
and then his whole...

744
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:21,038
uh, story about being...

745
00:42:21,872 --> 00:42:24,959
not happy about this falls apart.

746
00:42:25,042 --> 00:42:26,710
But one day, it will happen.

747
00:42:26,794 --> 00:42:29,713
And one day it will happen
if a museum,

748
00:42:29,797 --> 00:42:32,841
let's say like the Museum
of Modern Art, or whatever San Fra--

749
00:42:32,925 --> 00:42:34,885
If they would have balls,
they would say,

750
00:42:34,969 --> 00:42:37,680
"It's a real Banksy, so we show it."

751
00:42:37,763 --> 00:42:40,474
Keszler wanted the Banksy rat, yeah.

752
00:42:40,558 --> 00:42:43,102
At this time, he had a lot
of Banksy pieces,

753
00:42:43,185 --> 00:42:47,773
all removed from the street,
and he wanted that in his show.

754
00:42:47,856 --> 00:42:50,192
And is it in good condition?

755
00:42:50,276 --> 00:42:51,485
Uh, yeah.

756
00:42:51,569 --> 00:42:53,237
So, do you want to--

757
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,032
Do you want to have it
when we show it in Miami?

758
00:42:58,284 --> 00:43:00,578
Where are you going to show in Miami?

759
00:43:00,661 --> 00:43:01,745
Sorry?

760
00:43:02,746 --> 00:43:04,081
Uh, potentially.

761
00:43:04,164 --> 00:43:05,916
Would you be interested?

762
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,379
One of the provisions for Miami
allowing the show to go on

763
00:43:10,462 --> 00:43:12,756
was none of these pieces
were for sale.

764
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,511
He also told me that after the show
there's a potential museum in Miami

765
00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:19,722
that wants to take some of the works,

766
00:43:19,805 --> 00:43:23,309
and if this is a way for me
to get my piece in a museum,

767
00:43:23,392 --> 00:43:26,145
even if it's in Miami,
I'm all for it.

768
00:43:26,979 --> 00:43:30,858
Four weeks later, the rat
was removed from the bedroom closet

769
00:43:30,941 --> 00:43:33,569
and prepped for Miami.

770
00:43:33,652 --> 00:43:36,363
Yeah, so, you know, this rat,

771
00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:39,491
which isn't a small rat,
it's pretty big...

772
00:43:39,575 --> 00:43:43,245
One last piece.
It's the top of the rat's hat.

773
00:43:43,329 --> 00:43:48,208
Yeah, it was stored in the closet of a,
yeah, this dude's apartment for two years.

774
00:43:49,209 --> 00:43:53,297
And, yeah, it's, like I say,
it's not a small rat.

775
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:55,299
It's a big rat.

776
00:43:55,382 --> 00:43:58,302
Since it was taken down,
I haven't seen it all put together,

777
00:43:58,385 --> 00:44:02,389
so I'm anxious to see
how it held up in my closet,

778
00:44:02,473 --> 00:44:05,726
wrapped in old blankets
and sheets for two years.

779
00:44:06,352 --> 00:44:08,812
So, hopefully somebody
after Miami wants it.

780
00:44:10,898 --> 00:44:12,858
Because I'd hate to have
to put it back in the closet.

781
00:44:36,757 --> 00:44:40,302
Miami... December...

782
00:44:40,386 --> 00:44:46,308
Wynwood is the biggest art wank
in the world ever.

783
00:44:46,392 --> 00:44:49,144
It's insane.

784
00:44:57,486 --> 00:44:58,487
Whoo!

785
00:44:58,570 --> 00:44:59,571
Miami Art Battle was great.

786
00:44:59,655 --> 00:45:03,826
It brought together so many people,
so many different forms of art.

787
00:45:03,909 --> 00:45:07,704
Such a young generation flocked there
and gave us so much energy.

788
00:45:09,706 --> 00:45:10,958
♪ Watch me now ♪

789
00:45:13,836 --> 00:45:18,090
Every street artist
from every country is there,

790
00:45:18,173 --> 00:45:20,884
scrambling and fighting to paint walls.

791
00:45:20,968 --> 00:45:23,137
No one's getting paid.

792
00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:25,180
Everything gets repainted.

793
00:45:25,264 --> 00:45:27,766
Everything is new, fresh, and exciting.

794
00:45:27,850 --> 00:45:31,228
And then, on top of that,
you have the money,

795
00:45:31,311 --> 00:45:34,898
the art fans,
the dealers selling stuff.

796
00:45:34,982 --> 00:45:37,609
Yeah, it's insane.

797
00:45:37,693 --> 00:45:40,612
It's borderline schizophrenia, actually.

798
00:45:43,031 --> 00:45:48,036
It's the poor street kids
and the multi billionaires.

799
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,373
And we're doing everything for nothing.

800
00:45:51,457 --> 00:45:56,003
And they're walking home with Banksies
for a million dollars.

801
00:45:57,379 --> 00:45:59,214
So, I'm actually
kind of stressed right now

802
00:45:59,298 --> 00:46:00,799
because I got a call 40 minutes ago.

803
00:46:00,883 --> 00:46:02,968
The rat has arrived in Miami early,

804
00:46:03,051 --> 00:46:06,597
and it's actually
inside the Art Miami complex already.

805
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,849
Uh, they've opened the crate.

806
00:46:08,932 --> 00:46:12,102
They're in the process
of unpacking the piece,

807
00:46:12,186 --> 00:46:14,521
and I want to be
inside for the installation.

808
00:46:16,773 --> 00:46:19,818
I don't even know where to go.
This complex is so huge.

809
00:46:19,902 --> 00:46:24,865
It's an entire city block of white tent
after white tent,

810
00:46:24,948 --> 00:46:27,951
and in a couple of days
all these tents are gonna be filled

811
00:46:28,035 --> 00:46:30,245
with high-end art from all over the world.

812
00:46:31,246 --> 00:46:34,958
Two years to the day
from, uh, the Banksy rat

813
00:46:35,042 --> 00:46:37,336
on Haight Ashbury finally coming down,

814
00:46:37,419 --> 00:46:40,422
two years to that exact day
it was reassembled

815
00:46:40,506 --> 00:46:43,634
and put on display in Miami.

816
00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:56,271
The Banksy exhibit
drew huge crowds.

817
00:46:56,355 --> 00:47:00,275
So, this is a not-for-sale Banksy show

818
00:47:00,359 --> 00:47:07,115
at Art Miami, and the people's reaction
is exactly what I thought will be.

819
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,910
People are excited about the works.

820
00:47:09,993 --> 00:47:12,454
They're standing in line,
they're writing about this,

821
00:47:12,538 --> 00:47:17,209
and it gives us proof
that what we did

822
00:47:17,292 --> 00:47:20,879
with the works that would've been
destroyed at the original locations

823
00:47:20,963 --> 00:47:26,718
are very loved by dealers,
lovers, and art connoisseurs.

824
00:47:26,802 --> 00:47:28,637
So, this is the proof for us

825
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:32,641
that it was right what we did
and what we are doing.

826
00:47:32,724 --> 00:47:34,685
It was all over the news.

827
00:47:34,768 --> 00:47:37,437
Banksy show. Banksy show. Banksy show.

828
00:47:37,521 --> 00:47:40,065
And it wasn't a Banksy show.
It was a Keszler show.

829
00:47:40,148 --> 00:47:42,150
This is Kissing Couple,

830
00:47:42,234 --> 00:47:44,653
one of Banksy's most famous work.

831
00:47:44,736 --> 00:47:48,532
He made it in 2005 in Brighton, England,

832
00:47:48,615 --> 00:47:53,078
and you see two cops kissing each other,

833
00:47:53,161 --> 00:47:55,789
which I think is a very funny way

834
00:47:55,872 --> 00:47:59,209
to show you protest
against the establishment.

835
00:47:59,293 --> 00:48:00,961
So, Banksy made this work,

836
00:48:01,044 --> 00:48:02,921
which is named Out of Bed Rat,

837
00:48:03,005 --> 00:48:05,841
in 2006 in Los Angeles.

838
00:48:05,924 --> 00:48:08,176
He made it in-- on Melrose Place.

839
00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:09,761
I don't know
how I feel about this.

840
00:48:09,845 --> 00:48:12,139
It's like when you see
a deer in the wild, it's cool.

841
00:48:12,222 --> 00:48:15,142
When you see a deer's head on the wall,
it's not so cool.

842
00:48:15,225 --> 00:48:18,604
These things were actually put on display

843
00:48:18,687 --> 00:48:20,814
as trophy heads,

844
00:48:20,897 --> 00:48:23,942
but, you know, sometimes it's really cool
to look at trophy heads.

845
00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:26,945
The weird thing is
they set the rat up

846
00:48:27,029 --> 00:48:29,990
right across from the VIP cocktail lounge.

847
00:48:31,491 --> 00:48:32,909
They look out of place,

848
00:48:32,993 --> 00:48:38,332
but there's a lot of work that looks out
of place in there, and yeah.

849
00:48:38,415 --> 00:48:41,168
It's a capitalist thing, you know?
It's the emperor's new clothes.

850
00:48:41,251 --> 00:48:43,420
Most of the artwork
that's in galleries is bullshit.

851
00:48:43,503 --> 00:48:46,632
Most of the reason the people
are selling art is bullshit.

852
00:48:46,715 --> 00:48:48,008
They're just trying to make money,

853
00:48:48,091 --> 00:48:50,677
and they're just talking up bullshit
because they can control it.

854
00:48:52,387 --> 00:48:54,640
Banksy condemned the show.

855
00:48:54,723 --> 00:48:57,601
Street artists refused to attend.

856
00:48:57,684 --> 00:49:00,020
Is-- Is this a film about that?

857
00:49:00,103 --> 00:49:01,104
Yeah.

858
00:49:01,188 --> 00:49:03,065
Oh, well, I mean, f...

859
00:49:04,232 --> 00:49:08,236
Look, really, I don't even, like,

860
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,448
I don't care, like, if you're asking me
if I'm gonna go see it,

861
00:49:11,531 --> 00:49:13,700
probably not-- no, definitely not.

862
00:49:13,784 --> 00:49:15,786
I'm not gonna wait in a line
to go and see that.

863
00:49:15,869 --> 00:49:18,789
And especially 'cause it's not
like where it was, I guess.

864
00:49:18,872 --> 00:49:21,792
Pfft. I mean, really,
I've got no comment about that.

865
00:49:23,418 --> 00:49:25,045
So, yeah, I heard these rumors

866
00:49:25,128 --> 00:49:29,633
that somebody was gonna vandalize
the Banksy paintings at the show.

867
00:49:29,716 --> 00:49:35,097
Opening night, suits, cocktails,
security guards...

868
00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:37,724
There was some talk that people
might try to come in

869
00:49:37,808 --> 00:49:40,894
and vandalize the Banksies.
Had you heard that?

870
00:49:40,977 --> 00:49:45,899
First of all, if you see here,
there's 24/7 security.

871
00:49:45,982 --> 00:49:50,362
If they do this... they will go to jail.

872
00:49:50,445 --> 00:49:53,490
So, I'm not worried about that.

873
00:49:53,573 --> 00:49:56,159
...which, uh, unfortunately
never happened.

874
00:49:56,243 --> 00:49:57,869
It would've been fun.

875
00:49:57,953 --> 00:50:00,080
Now, Banksy's condemned the show.

876
00:50:00,163 --> 00:50:01,164
Yes.

877
00:50:01,248 --> 00:50:02,916
How do you feel about that?

878
00:50:02,999 --> 00:50:06,795
I don't care. He is painting his works

879
00:50:06,878 --> 00:50:11,091
on houses or properties
of other people without asking.

880
00:50:11,174 --> 00:50:15,429
If I do my own canvas,
then I obviously feel like I have rights,

881
00:50:15,512 --> 00:50:19,850
but if I do it on somebody else's
property, then I would say no.

882
00:50:19,933 --> 00:50:21,685
That, no.

883
00:50:21,768 --> 00:50:25,188
He expect that what we are doing,

884
00:50:25,272 --> 00:50:27,482
we need to ask him for permission.

885
00:50:27,566 --> 00:50:30,902
So it's a hypocritical argument,
what he does.

886
00:50:30,986 --> 00:50:34,239
They should respect the artist
and, like, what they wanted,

887
00:50:34,322 --> 00:50:37,284
and not just, like, "Oh, it needs to be
in this art show thing."

888
00:50:37,367 --> 00:50:40,746
So, I can understand that it doesn't
necessarily fit his aesthetic

889
00:50:40,829 --> 00:50:44,040
to be on the wall
inside a museum or a gallery.

890
00:50:44,124 --> 00:50:46,585
He doesn't trust the gallery system.

891
00:50:46,668 --> 00:50:50,046
He doesn't necessarily agree
with how it works.

892
00:50:50,130 --> 00:50:53,300
Uh, he wants to do
everything on his terms,

893
00:50:53,383 --> 00:50:56,511
and, you know,
he's successful at doing that.

894
00:50:56,595 --> 00:50:58,138
There is a big market now,

895
00:50:58,221 --> 00:51:02,184
a big, very important market
of street art,

896
00:51:02,267 --> 00:51:05,437
a lot of money is involved
in street art now,

897
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:06,938
a lot of money.

898
00:51:07,022 --> 00:51:10,984
This hype about Banksy right now
where nobody knows who he is

899
00:51:11,067 --> 00:51:14,571
and what he is, I think,
is a very strategic and smart way

900
00:51:14,654 --> 00:51:18,408
from him to get his work
and to get him more famous.

901
00:51:19,075 --> 00:51:22,412
In 2005, Banksy
did several paintings

902
00:51:22,496 --> 00:51:24,289
on the division wall in Palestine.

903
00:51:24,372 --> 00:51:27,125
Ben Eine was with him.

904
00:51:27,209 --> 00:51:29,920
I went to Palestine with Banksy.

905
00:51:30,003 --> 00:51:35,091
Uh, it was our first trip
to Palestine, and...

906
00:51:35,175 --> 00:51:39,262
Yeah, we went and painted
quite a few pieces

907
00:51:39,346 --> 00:51:40,931
on the segregation wall,

908
00:51:41,014 --> 00:51:43,683
on bombed ruins,

909
00:51:43,767 --> 00:51:46,603
on basically huge lumps of concrete.

910
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:50,357
And we spent two weeks over there
painting all day, every day,

911
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,610
and, yeah, we left Palestine,

912
00:51:53,693 --> 00:51:57,280
and we never expected to see
any of those paintings again.

913
00:52:01,576 --> 00:52:03,328
Two of them turn up in Miami.

914
00:52:04,955 --> 00:52:06,122
This is Wet Dog.

915
00:52:06,206 --> 00:52:09,543
He made it in 2007, uh, in Palestine.

916
00:52:09,626 --> 00:52:12,337
It's about 1,800 pounds.

917
00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:13,880
It's a really heavy piece.

918
00:52:13,964 --> 00:52:16,842
We restored it the way it is right now,

919
00:52:16,925 --> 00:52:22,472
and it was seen on the stone
next to a bus station in Palestine.

920
00:52:22,556 --> 00:52:24,349
And now it's here.

921
00:52:24,432 --> 00:52:26,393
This piece is Stop and Search.

922
00:52:26,476 --> 00:52:30,355
It was also made in 2007
in Palestine, West Bank.

923
00:52:30,438 --> 00:52:33,525
It shows a little girl with a soldier

924
00:52:33,608 --> 00:52:36,319
from the occupying force of Israel,

925
00:52:36,403 --> 00:52:39,072
and this was a very strong statement
of Banksy

926
00:52:39,155 --> 00:52:42,242
to protest against what is going on
in the Middle East.

927
00:52:42,325 --> 00:52:45,287
You see here all the bullets,
shots in there,

928
00:52:45,370 --> 00:52:49,291
so I think this is one of the most famous
Banksy pieces in the world.

929
00:52:49,374 --> 00:52:50,750
I mean, I can't imagine someone

930
00:52:50,834 --> 00:52:52,669
going to the Middle East,

931
00:52:52,752 --> 00:52:55,380
where there's been conflict for, you know,

932
00:52:55,463 --> 00:52:57,549
thousands of years,

933
00:52:57,632 --> 00:52:59,843
and an artist
in this day and age goes there,

934
00:52:59,926 --> 00:53:02,012
seeing what's going on politically,

935
00:53:02,095 --> 00:53:03,680
and is trying to make a statement,

936
00:53:03,763 --> 00:53:05,974
you know, and share something
with the people

937
00:53:06,057 --> 00:53:08,643
and try and make a positive impact,

938
00:53:08,727 --> 00:53:11,897
and some fucking asshole comes
and just takes the shit off a wall there

939
00:53:11,980 --> 00:53:13,690
and tries to sell it to someone

940
00:53:13,773 --> 00:53:16,067
in a fancy neighborhood
somewhere else in the world

941
00:53:16,151 --> 00:53:18,153
who happens to have
enough money to pay for it?

942
00:53:18,236 --> 00:53:19,446
I mean, what the fuck is that?

943
00:53:19,529 --> 00:53:20,906
I mean, what sense does that make?

944
00:53:20,989 --> 00:53:25,660
He's trying to, like, soothe
a very chaotic and sensitive place

945
00:53:25,744 --> 00:53:28,163
with some art, you know, for the people,

946
00:53:28,246 --> 00:53:29,873
and then some fucking asshole

947
00:53:29,956 --> 00:53:33,001
comes out of left field
and, like, because he can make a buck,

948
00:53:33,084 --> 00:53:37,547
you know, like, rips it out
and like, you know...

949
00:53:37,631 --> 00:53:39,341
It's deplorable.

950
00:53:39,424 --> 00:53:42,719
Do we profit from it? Yes.

951
00:53:42,802 --> 00:53:45,555
Do we put a lot of effort into it? Yes.

952
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:47,057
So we both deserve it.

953
00:53:47,140 --> 00:53:50,185
Keszler knew that the rat
was preserved.

954
00:53:50,268 --> 00:53:51,686
He wanted to buy it.

955
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:54,230
He obviously had people
that wanted to buy it from him.

956
00:53:54,314 --> 00:53:56,441
He wanted to own this painting.

957
00:53:57,442 --> 00:54:00,236
Yeah. So, the first thing is
it's not for sale here.

958
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,530
So there's not even
a discussion about this.

959
00:54:02,614 --> 00:54:07,786
And, um... I think it's, right now,
my guess is

960
00:54:07,869 --> 00:54:10,455
that it's not--
It's not a million dollars.

961
00:54:10,538 --> 00:54:11,581
It's not.

962
00:54:12,415 --> 00:54:14,876
Also, my big pieces
are not a million dollars.

963
00:54:15,877 --> 00:54:17,712
So, I think it's-- I--

964
00:54:19,089 --> 00:54:21,132
I think it's a couple of hundred--

965
00:54:21,216 --> 00:54:24,010
I-I-I think I could sell it easily--

966
00:54:24,094 --> 00:54:27,847
Easily-- This cost me
hundred thousand dollars also here.

967
00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:29,975
I think I could sell it for...

968
00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:34,604
Two hundred, two hundred fifty,
net, for you.

969
00:54:34,688 --> 00:54:39,150
Well, then I would--
I would get a hundred thousand.

970
00:54:39,234 --> 00:54:41,569
So three hundred fifty, more or less,

971
00:54:41,653 --> 00:54:44,572
and you would get two hundred fifty
or something like this.

972
00:54:44,656 --> 00:54:49,536
You know, it's frustrating,
but, you know, when money gets involved,

973
00:54:49,619 --> 00:54:52,122
this is what happens.

974
00:54:52,205 --> 00:54:53,623
But this is much more...

975
00:54:54,874 --> 00:54:56,626
sell able, or commercial,

976
00:54:56,710 --> 00:55:01,047
because you can hang 250 pounds
better in your apartment

977
00:55:01,131 --> 00:55:05,051
than a 3,000
or 2,000 pound concrete wall.

978
00:55:06,136 --> 00:55:09,597
What happened
to Keszler's Banksies after the exhibit?

979
00:55:09,681 --> 00:55:12,767
We can start the auction,
and we start with the Lot 1.

980
00:55:12,851 --> 00:55:15,979
Wet Dog,
one of the pieces from Palestine,

981
00:55:16,062 --> 00:55:17,981
turned up at an auction in Miami,

982
00:55:18,064 --> 00:55:20,775
alongside a new Banksy street piece

983
00:55:20,859 --> 00:55:23,028
called Slave Labor.

984
00:55:23,111 --> 00:55:27,574
...70,000, 80,000, 90,000...

985
00:56:00,607 --> 00:56:05,820
I'm back from Miami, and I brought back
the actual catalog for Art Miami,

986
00:56:05,904 --> 00:56:10,825
and the very first piece featured
in this big, thick catalog is my Banksy.

987
00:56:10,909 --> 00:56:13,536
And then you flip to the next page,

988
00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:16,831
and another picture
of my Banksy from the Red Vic,

989
00:56:16,915 --> 00:56:19,793
along with the other Banksies
that were exhibited.

990
00:56:19,876 --> 00:56:22,504
There shouldn't be a price tag on them.
They shouldn't be at auction.

991
00:56:22,587 --> 00:56:26,466
They should be out in the public
where people can enjoy them for free.

992
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:28,468
Keszler wanted the Banksy rat.

993
00:56:28,551 --> 00:56:31,638
So, here's an email
directly from Stephan Keszler.

994
00:56:31,721 --> 00:56:34,182
It says, "We're putting together
our new brochure

995
00:56:34,265 --> 00:56:36,518
for Banksy originals...

996
00:56:43,233 --> 00:56:47,153
If yes, I would suggest a minimum price
we both have to agree on,

997
00:56:47,237 --> 00:56:48,780
and an equal share.

998
00:56:52,283 --> 00:56:53,952
Thanks, Stephan."

999
00:56:54,035 --> 00:56:56,663
The rat wasn't for sale.
He wanted to buy it.

1000
00:56:56,746 --> 00:56:59,582
The price that he was going
to pay for it kept on going up.

1001
00:56:59,666 --> 00:57:05,004
Two weeks later, there was an offer
of half a million dollars on the table.

1002
00:57:05,088 --> 00:57:10,885
He had called me
and offered me $500,000 for my Banksy.

1003
00:57:12,220 --> 00:57:14,222
And here's the email. It says...

1004
00:57:22,397 --> 00:57:24,858
He seems okay
with my decision at this point,

1005
00:57:24,941 --> 00:57:26,860
but then his tone changes.

1006
00:57:26,943 --> 00:57:30,530
So, this email came the very next day
from Stephan Keszler. It says...

1007
00:57:41,624 --> 00:57:42,667
"Stephan."

1008
00:57:44,919 --> 00:57:46,421
Haven't heard from him since.

1009
00:57:49,340 --> 00:57:53,386
Half a million dollars is a substantial
amount of money by any body's standards.

1010
00:57:53,470 --> 00:57:57,390
You know, to say no to that,
well, obviously this dude's

1011
00:57:57,474 --> 00:58:00,935
not just somebody
who's trying to, you know, flip it

1012
00:58:01,019 --> 00:58:04,439
and, you know, capitalize off of it
and make a quick buck, is he?

1013
00:58:04,522 --> 00:58:09,777
Yeah, you know, this is the irony
of, you know, Banksy street art,

1014
00:58:09,861 --> 00:58:11,654
you know, taken down from the street.

1015
00:58:11,738 --> 00:58:15,700
Here's this guy that has a Banksy piece
and he wants to give it to a museum,

1016
00:58:15,783 --> 00:58:17,494
and they don't want to take it,

1017
00:58:17,577 --> 00:58:21,456
and yet somebody's prepared
to pay half a million dollars for it.

1018
00:58:21,539 --> 00:58:25,460
You know, it's--
it's the beauty of street art.

1019
00:58:28,129 --> 00:58:32,842
Art dealers continue to remove
and sell Banksy's public paintings.

1020
00:58:32,926 --> 00:58:38,181
Banksy doesn't see a single penny
from the sale of these works.

1021
00:58:39,474 --> 00:58:42,393
At some point, he'll stop painting.
At some point, he'll die.

1022
00:58:42,477 --> 00:58:44,979
These paintings will never
be made again.

1023
00:58:45,063 --> 00:58:46,981
People want them.

1024
00:58:47,065 --> 00:58:51,694
There's-- yeah, insane value
in the stuff that he paints.

1025
00:58:52,278 --> 00:58:54,113
So, a couple things that I've noticed...

1026
00:58:54,197 --> 00:58:57,575
The Haight Street rat was
eventually sent to Southern California

1027
00:58:57,659 --> 00:58:59,869
to be preserved and fully restored.

1028
00:58:59,953 --> 00:59:02,872
One of the things I want to do
is protect the edges

1029
00:59:02,956 --> 00:59:05,124
from being banged or chipped...

1030
00:59:05,208 --> 00:59:09,504
With preservation,
the total cost of saving the rat?

1031
00:59:09,587 --> 00:59:12,173
Over $40,000.

1032
00:59:12,257 --> 00:59:14,676
If it is boxed in,
then the frame would obviously be...

1033
00:59:38,324 --> 00:59:41,953
So, it's back in San Francisco,
and I'm really happy with the restoration.

1034
00:59:42,036 --> 00:59:43,997
It looks a lot better
than it did in Miami,

1035
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,000
and what I like about the restoration
is I wanted them

1036
00:59:47,083 --> 00:59:50,878
to make it look like it did
on the wall of the building

1037
00:59:50,962 --> 00:59:53,798
and not, you know,
like a preserved painting,

1038
00:59:53,881 --> 00:59:55,383
and they've done that.

1039
00:59:55,466 --> 00:59:57,135
You know,
there are still cracks in the paint.

1040
00:59:57,218 --> 00:59:58,469
There are nails.

1041
00:59:58,553 --> 01:00:01,222
You can see the nails
that are sticking out and bent over.

1042
01:00:02,056 --> 01:00:03,933
So, it looks really good.

1043
01:00:04,017 --> 01:00:06,644
The restoration
became front-page news

1044
01:00:06,728 --> 01:00:08,688
in the San Francisco Chronicle.

1045
01:00:08,771 --> 01:00:13,026
The publicity generated a new wave
of offers from private collectors,

1046
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:17,363
including an offer of $700,000.

1047
01:00:17,447 --> 01:00:19,866
That offer was rejected.

1048
01:00:24,621 --> 01:00:26,873
♪ I got the money ♪

1049
01:00:26,956 --> 01:00:28,458
♪ I got the money for you ♪

1050
01:00:28,541 --> 01:00:30,668
Since the article
in the San Francisco Chronicle,

1051
01:00:30,752 --> 01:00:33,046
I've been flooded with people
that want to show it

1052
01:00:33,129 --> 01:00:34,922
and people that want to buy it,

1053
01:00:35,006 --> 01:00:37,550
but unfortunately, none of them
are really good fits.

1054
01:00:37,634 --> 01:00:38,676
I had somebody call me--

1055
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,430
they wanted to put it up
on the gate outside their house,

1056
01:00:42,513 --> 01:00:45,016
in the redwoods north of San Francisco,

1057
01:00:45,099 --> 01:00:46,726
which, for me, doesn't work.

1058
01:00:46,809 --> 01:00:50,063
So, you know, I'm still looking
for a home for it.

1059
01:00:50,146 --> 01:00:52,482
Hopefully, we'll find a place to put it.

1060
01:00:52,565 --> 01:00:56,444
The last offer I had from a collector
was for $700,000,

1061
01:00:56,527 --> 01:00:58,071
which I turned down.

1062
01:00:58,154 --> 01:00:59,364
Good for him, man.

1063
01:00:59,447 --> 01:01:01,866
If he's really not doing it for the profit
and he wants it in a museum,

1064
01:01:01,949 --> 01:01:04,744
and he believes that strongly about it,
I think he's doing the right thing

1065
01:01:04,827 --> 01:01:08,206
because eventually, you know, it'll gain
traction and it'll get in a museum.

1066
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,131
I've learned a lot,
and I've me a lot of graffiti artists,

1067
01:01:17,215 --> 01:01:19,425
and, you know, they all have
sort of a different take on it.

1068
01:01:19,509 --> 01:01:22,345
Some think I never should've touched it
or should've left it up,

1069
01:01:22,428 --> 01:01:24,764
and if it got destroyed, it got destroyed.

1070
01:01:24,847 --> 01:01:28,059
The whole thing with conserving shit

1071
01:01:28,142 --> 01:01:29,811
that's been done on the street,

1072
01:01:29,894 --> 01:01:31,521
it makes no sense.

1073
01:01:31,604 --> 01:01:35,775
You know, others say it's a good thing,
and I know some of the graffiti artists

1074
01:01:35,858 --> 01:01:39,612
are saying that maybe we need to rethink
this whole temporary art form thing.

1075
01:01:39,696 --> 01:01:45,910
I don't know.
You know, like, right now, today,

1076
01:01:45,993 --> 01:01:49,664
I wouldn't want
one of my paintings preserved.

1077
01:01:50,665 --> 01:01:54,502
A hundred years' time,
when I'm dead and none of them exist,

1078
01:01:54,585 --> 01:01:58,131
I would love for one of my paintings
to be preserved.

1079
01:01:59,257 --> 01:02:01,801
It's, you know, it's a double-edged sword.

1080
01:02:01,884 --> 01:02:06,514
The art that was done in this movement
in the public, which is important,

1081
01:02:06,597 --> 01:02:08,141
is all gonna be gone.

1082
01:02:08,224 --> 01:02:11,060
So, the whole idea of this being
a temporary art form

1083
01:02:11,144 --> 01:02:16,607
and it's okay if it gets, you know,
painted over or destroyed,

1084
01:02:16,691 --> 01:02:18,234
to me, really needs to be re-thought.

1085
01:02:18,317 --> 01:02:20,695
Well, it's part of history.
You know, we're gonna talk about,

1086
01:02:20,778 --> 01:02:22,697
"You remember when people
were taking all of our pieces

1087
01:02:22,780 --> 01:02:24,699
and putting them in museums.
We didn't want them there"?

1088
01:02:24,782 --> 01:02:27,702
There's gonna be a period of work that's,
you know, work that's out of context.

1089
01:02:27,785 --> 01:02:30,455
It's gonna be all this work
that's like, "What period was that from?"

1090
01:02:30,538 --> 01:02:32,790
"Oh, that was the work
that wasn't supposed to be in a museum."

1091
01:02:32,874 --> 01:02:35,793
So it all, you know, it's all relative.

1092
01:02:36,919 --> 01:02:38,713
There's no doubt
that it's a Banksy.

1093
01:02:38,796 --> 01:02:41,007
There's no doubt
that it's an important Banksy.

1094
01:02:41,090 --> 01:02:43,885
It's iconic Banksy imagery.

1095
01:02:43,968 --> 01:02:48,473
For it to be protected and to then take on
an entirely new life and last,

1096
01:02:48,556 --> 01:02:50,308
even if it's in a different context,

1097
01:02:50,391 --> 01:02:53,811
just keeping it for,
you know, historical sake

1098
01:02:53,895 --> 01:02:55,897
or whatever, like, yeah, that's rad.

1099
01:02:55,980 --> 01:03:00,276
If you can save art, it's... Do it.

1100
01:03:01,277 --> 01:03:04,655
You know, Banksy pieces like this
either get destroyed

1101
01:03:04,739 --> 01:03:07,450
or they get sold and they end up
in somebody's house

1102
01:03:07,533 --> 01:03:09,118
where the public can't see it.

1103
01:03:09,202 --> 01:03:12,580
And, you know, we were able
to take this one down, preserve it,

1104
01:03:12,663 --> 01:03:14,749
and, you know, hopefully at some point

1105
01:03:14,832 --> 01:03:16,918
it'll be up in a place
where the public can see it

1106
01:03:17,001 --> 01:03:18,544
you know, 24/7.

1107
01:03:22,423 --> 01:03:24,592
♪ I got the money ♪

1108
01:03:24,675 --> 01:03:26,761
♪ I got the money for you ♪

1109
01:03:26,844 --> 01:03:28,179
So, it's funny, you know.

1110
01:03:28,262 --> 01:03:30,640
I got people that want to buy it
for $700,000,

1111
01:03:30,723 --> 01:03:33,351
but I can't give it away for free.

1112
01:03:36,312 --> 01:03:38,856
I don't know, man.
What's the moral to the story?

1113
01:03:40,608 --> 01:03:42,026
Is there a moral?

1114
01:03:42,109 --> 01:03:46,405
If there was a moral to this story,
it's, you know, for once,

1115
01:03:46,489 --> 01:03:47,824
greed didn't win.

1116
01:03:47,907 --> 01:03:49,408
The good guys did.

1117
01:03:49,492 --> 01:03:50,493
You know...

1118
01:03:51,661 --> 01:03:53,913
It's there, it's preserved,

1119
01:03:53,996 --> 01:03:55,748
it will turn up in a museum,

1120
01:03:55,832 --> 01:03:59,961
and it's not gonna hang
on somebody's house in the Hamptons.

1121
01:04:00,962 --> 01:04:02,922
Yeah, the good guys won, I suppose.

1122
01:04:03,005 --> 01:04:07,301
When the Earth explodes,
it's all gonna be stardust, anyway.

1123
01:04:07,385 --> 01:04:10,680
In 50 years' time,
everyone's gonna be grateful.

1124
01:04:11,681 --> 01:04:13,516
Yeah, that's the moral, probably.

1125
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,687
♪ I got the money ♪

1126
01:04:17,770 --> 01:04:20,648
♪ I got the money for you ♪

1127
01:04:46,883 --> 01:04:49,927
And what would Banksy
think of all this?

1128
01:04:50,011 --> 01:04:56,726
I'm pretty sure he would find it amusing
that people care this much

1129
01:04:56,809 --> 01:05:01,063
about something that took him
ten minutes to paint.

1130
01:05:03,107 --> 01:05:05,276
Yeah. Yeah, he would laugh.

1131
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:07,612
♪ All I do is feel the pain ♪

1132
01:05:07,695 --> 01:05:09,071
♪ Yeah ♪

1133
01:05:09,155 --> 01:05:12,366
♪ All I do is feel the... ♪

1134
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:17,204
♪ All I do is feel the pain ♪

1135
01:05:17,288 --> 01:05:18,789
♪ Yeah ♪

1136
01:05:18,873 --> 01:05:20,666
♪ Based on a true story ♪

1137
01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:21,751
♪ Yeah ♪

1138
01:05:21,834 --> 01:05:23,544
♪ My life and your life ♪

1139
01:05:23,628 --> 01:05:24,670
♪ Uh, let's go ♪

1140
01:05:24,754 --> 01:05:26,464
♪ Pain ♪

1141
01:05:26,547 --> 01:05:27,882
♪ Uh, that's pain ♪

1142
01:05:27,965 --> 01:05:30,509
♪ All I do is feel the pain ♪

1143
01:05:30,593 --> 01:05:31,844
♪ Nothing more, nothing less ♪

1144
01:05:31,928 --> 01:05:34,013
♪ I feel it hell a close
to the chest, yeah ♪

1145
01:05:34,096 --> 01:05:35,681
♪ Pain ♪

1146
01:05:35,765 --> 01:05:37,099
♪ Uh, that's pain ♪

1147
01:05:37,183 --> 01:05:39,560
♪ All I do is feel the pain ♪

1148
01:05:39,644 --> 01:05:41,103
♪ Nothing more, nothing less ♪

1149
01:05:41,187 --> 01:05:43,189
♪ I feel it hell a close to the chest ♪

1150
01:05:43,272 --> 01:05:45,608
♪ The end of last year
was a tad bit crazy ♪

1151
01:05:45,691 --> 01:05:48,027
♪ My ex-bitch lied
and cheated on me crazy ♪

1152
01:05:48,110 --> 01:05:50,279
♪ When I think about it,
wasn't all that crazy ♪

1153
01:05:50,363 --> 01:05:52,531
♪ I got on my knees and prayed
for the Lord to save me ♪

1154
01:05:52,615 --> 01:05:54,867
♪ Tired of working dead-end jobs,
least I got a J-O-B ♪

1155
01:05:54,951 --> 01:05:57,244
♪ Then I got a DUI,
damn, I gotta testify ♪

1156
01:05:57,328 --> 01:05:59,538
♪ Inside the courtroom,
spent a night in jail ♪

1157
01:05:59,622 --> 01:06:01,749
♪ Bitch couldn't pick me up,
working on her nails ♪

1158
01:06:01,832 --> 01:06:03,042
♪ Damn, that shit is real life ♪

1159
01:06:03,125 --> 01:06:04,251
♪ Then they had to die twice ♪

1160
01:06:04,335 --> 01:06:05,336
♪ Handcuffed to a chair ♪

1161
01:06:05,419 --> 01:06:06,587
♪ When the shit is all clear ♪

1162
01:06:06,671 --> 01:06:07,713
♪ Nice guys finish last ♪

1163
01:06:07,797 --> 01:06:08,839
♪ So I'm an asshole ♪

1164
01:06:08,923 --> 01:06:10,007
♪ Suck the dick, gag, bitch ♪

1165
01:06:10,091 --> 01:06:11,092
♪ Holding up my cash flow ♪

1166
01:06:11,175 --> 01:06:13,344
♪ Can't turn this over
to a housewife, late night ♪

1167
01:06:13,427 --> 01:06:15,680
♪ You see these niggers leave her
swimming with the semen ♪

1168
01:06:15,763 --> 01:06:16,931
♪ Yeah, bitch, she was a ho ♪

1169
01:06:17,014 --> 01:06:18,099
♪ This is my retaliation ♪

1170
01:06:18,182 --> 01:06:20,726
♪ You deserve a trombone
at your skank-ass bitch ♪

1171
01:06:20,810 --> 01:06:21,811
♪ Pain ♪

1172
01:06:21,894 --> 01:06:23,145
♪ Uh, that's pain ♪

1173
01:06:23,229 --> 01:06:25,773
♪ All I do is feel the pain ♪

1174
01:06:25,856 --> 01:06:27,149
♪ Nothing more, nothing less ♪

1175
01:06:27,233 --> 01:06:29,568
♪ I feel it hell a close
to the chest, yeah ♪

1176
01:06:29,652 --> 01:06:32,780
♪ Pain, pain, pain-pain ♪

1177
01:06:32,863 --> 01:06:34,240
♪ Nothing more, nothing less ♪

1178
01:06:34,323 --> 01:06:36,325
♪ Pain, pain, pain-pain ♪

1179
01:06:36,409 --> 01:06:38,953
♪ I feel it hell a close
to the chest, yeah... ♪

1180
01:07:10,943 --> 01:07:13,821
♪ And as you grow, my son ♪

1181
01:07:13,904 --> 01:07:17,366
♪ You lose faith in man ♪

1182
01:07:17,450 --> 01:07:23,122
♪ With a perfect plan for our kind ♪

1183
01:07:26,500 --> 01:07:29,378
♪ And as you age, my boy ♪

1184
01:07:29,462 --> 01:07:32,339
♪ You lose faith in God ♪

1185
01:07:33,340 --> 01:07:38,637
♪ Wound the sweet path flow by and by ♪

1186
01:07:40,431 --> 01:07:43,684
♪ And you weep without a reason ♪

1187
01:07:43,768 --> 01:07:47,438
♪ And you cry without cause ♪

1188
01:07:48,689 --> 01:07:53,444
♪ You fucked up
every thing you got to do ♪

1189
01:07:53,527 --> 01:07:54,904
♪ But it's all... ♪

1190
01:08:27,645 --> 01:08:30,397
♪ And when you go ♪

1191
01:08:30,481 --> 01:08:34,151
♪ You fall in love with a girl ♪

1192
01:08:34,235 --> 01:08:39,949
♪ She makes you hang on forever ♪

1193
01:08:43,327 --> 01:08:45,579
♪ This year suits you ♪

1194
01:08:45,663 --> 01:08:48,624
♪ Like a bastard child... ♪

1194
01:08:49,305 --> 01:08:55,152
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