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(FILM REEL WHIRRS, SOFT WHISPERING)

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MAN: Being German is not really
something to be celebrated,

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because it always comes
with the burden of the past,

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the responsibility for past crimes.

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MAN: Heil Hitler!

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Never again.

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Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!

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WOMAN: For us Germans,
Nuremberg is a special place.

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It's shadowed by our darkest days,
but after the Second World War

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Nazi leaders were tried
for war crimes here.

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That's when we were reborn
as a nation.

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MAN: It really was the biggest
murder trial in history.

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12 million men, women and children
murdered in cold blood.

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MAN: Hermann Wilhelm Goering.

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Are you telling the tribunal that
you, the second man in the Reich,

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knew nothing about the
extermination of the Jews?

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MAN: None of them said "I'm guilty".
None of them. Not one.

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WOMAN: There must be millions who
have wondered what in God's name

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the Germans could say
for themselves on reckoning day.

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Now they have started to say it.

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(HEAVY DOORS CLANG SHUT)

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(FOOTSTEPS)

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There is an elevator
in the defendants' box

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where they all sat.

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One by one,
they'd come up in the elevator.

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As the defendant walks out,
takes a seat,

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it shuts again and goes down.

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A few moments later,
another defendant comes up.

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Open, shut, open, shut, open, shut.

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(MAN GIVES ORDER IN GERMAN)

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(DRUM BEAT)

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(CROWD CHEERS)

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The city of Nuremberg was
one of the great symbolic cities

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of National Socialism.

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Nuremberg was the place
they chose for their rallies

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and Hitler's wild speeches.

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The audience were spellbound
and cheered him.

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(CROWD CHEERS WILDLY)

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GRUNWALD: Nuremberg,
a city of 400,000 people,

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was devastated by the war.

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90% of dwellings were rubble,

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and under that rubble

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thousands of corpses were quite
literally rotting and festering.

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FERENCZ: Growing up in
Hell's Kitchen in New York,

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I had decided very early in life
that I didn't want to be a criminal.

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I wanted to be a lawyer.

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When we went to Nuremberg,

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the people were interested in only
staying alive.

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Food was scarce.
They were desperate and frightened.

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They had no idea what we were
going to do to them.

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Many of them thought we were
going to seek vengeance.

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British soldiers were told

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not to engage with the
German civilian population

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and, quite literally,
to see them as accessories

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or at least knowing stooges
of crime.

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As an international lawyer,
Nuremberg is an amazing place.

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You know, walking into Courtroom 600
sends shivers down my spine.

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SANDS: Nuremberg is
a special place for me.

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My grandparents survived

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but they both lost many, if not all,
of their family members.

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Britain, the United States,
the Soviet Union and France

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wanted to do justice,

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to put the most senior Nazi leaders
they could get their hands on

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on trial in a rather
public spectacle.

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And the hunt began
to identify, track down,

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arrest thousands of individuals.

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GRUNWALD: Goering is
the most senior defendant,

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a key architect
of the Final Solution.

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He was the most senior Nazi
who was caught.

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The others had died or been killed -

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Himmler, Goebbels,
Hitler, of course,

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not available to be put on trial.

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He acted very much as
the defendant leader.

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Fritz Sauckel was responsible

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for amassing slave labour
for the Nazi regime,

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which saw the deaths
of millions of people.

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Walther Funk had been President
of the Reichsbank.

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He was in charge of all the gold
and other property

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that was taken away
from the murdered Jews.

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GRUNWALD: Julius Streicher was
a sort of propagandist for Hitler

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who ran a couple of
particularly foul magazines

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that were deeply anti-Semitic.

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CLAUSSEN: Albert Speer once said

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if Hitler ever had a personal friend
it would have been him.

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He had been an architect
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but since 1942

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was one of the most important
organisers of forced labour

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and armament production.

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GRUNWALD: Hans Frank was the
General Governor of occupied Poland,

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and as such responsible for
the deportation and death

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of millions of Jews
and Polish citizens

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as victims of the
Nazi extermination camps.

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Another minute and the plane dropped
to the heart of the world's enemy.

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Nuremberg.

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It took not many more minutes
to get to the courtroom

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where the world's enemy
was being tried for his sins.

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(OVERLAPPING VOICES
SPEAKING FRENCH AND GERMAN)

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The ventilation of the court
was bad,

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and the warm air rose
to the gallery.

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All German towns stank
on hot days in the summer.

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(MALE ANNOUNCER SPEAKS FRENCH)

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ANNOUNCER: History and law
and justice is being made.

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The judges representing
the major powers,

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America, Britain, Russia, France,

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with British Lord
Justice Lawrence presiding.

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The defendants,
leaders of Nazi Germany.

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They're charged
with atrocity and war.

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ANNOUNCER: Britain's team
of prosecutors

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is led by Attorney General
Sir Hartley Shawcross.

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Each chief prosecutor...

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SANDS: You've essentially
got four countries

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who would prosecute jointly -

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a British prosecutor
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and an American, and each of the
four powers had their own tables.

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The styles of each of
the prosecutors was very different.

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I think for the Soviet leadership,
for Stalin in particular,

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this was a sort of a show trial.

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You'd go through the motions
of justice

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and then they would all be hanged.

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FERENCZ: I was the first
American soldier

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assigned to do
war crimes investigations.

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It was the Americans who really
carried the lead and said, "Look,

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"we have to act only
on the basis of law."

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And the Russians, they said, "Well,
as long as at the end we kill them."

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The defendants are to plead guilty
or not guilty

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to the charges against them.

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Hermann Wilhelm Goering.

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The defendants are not entitled
to make a statement.

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You must plead guilty or not guilty.

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Rudolf Hess?

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Wilhelm Keitel?

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Albert Speer?

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The defendants were not shamed.

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This was all propaganda against them
as far as they were concerned.

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None of them said, "I'm guilty".
None of them. Not one.

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Alfred Jodl?

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They all said 'nicht schuldig'.

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And I never met one all the time
I was in Germany that came up to me

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and said, "I'm sorry."

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AKANDE: I suspect that many of those
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that they were not guilty.

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Yes, millions of people
are getting killed,

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but somehow they sort of
distanced themselves from that.

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They're not the ones
pulling the trigger.

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They're not the ones putting
people in gas chambers.

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You know, they're signing pieces
of paper and things are happening,

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you know, in other places.

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In a word there was high tension.

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The prosecutors needed to show
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what a criminal outfit
the Nazis were.

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SANDS: Because it was the first ever
such international trial,

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the British and the American
prosecutors were deeply concerned

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about an outcome in which
not everyone was convicted.

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FERENCZ: The crimes were committed
by thousands of people

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and they picked out people
like Hermann Goering.

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He was the one who was still alive.
Hitler had committed suicide.

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Killed his dog and killed
his mistress too.

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I was the first American soldier

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assigned to do war crimes
investigations.

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People seemed to be coming out of

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what looks like
something like a camp,

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and they all look like
they're starving.

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They were pleading
with their eyes to help them.

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We had no idea. We didn't know
the word 'concentration camp'.

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The impact of my first visit
is really indescribable.

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Dead bodies covering the ground.

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Dead bodies piled up outside
the crematory like scored wood.

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The stench is in the air,
it's a scene of horror.

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It's indescribable and unimaginable
to a rational human mind.

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I peered into hell.

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I just isolated my mind
from what my eyes saw

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and moved fast to collect
evidence of the crimes.

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The impact of it has
remained with me to this day.

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The privilege of opening
the first trial in history

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for crimes against
the peace of the world

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imposes a grave responsibility.

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In the prisoners' dock
sit twenty-odd broken men.

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As Nazi leaders they once dominated
most of the world

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and terrified most of it.

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Their personal capacity for evil
is forever past.

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The wrongs which we seek
to condemn and punish

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have been so calculated,
so malignant, and so devastating,

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that civilisation cannot tolerate
their being ignored,

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because it cannot survive
their being repeated.

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There was a feeling
of it was victors' justice

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and the defendants themselves
were aloof, I would say,

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during the trial.

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Their attitude was, you go ahead,
present your case,

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you can sentence us to death
or whatever you want to do,

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but we're not going to be
part of that.

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GRUNWALD: The defendants
are very open with Gilbert,

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and Goering feels the trial
is really a political set-up.

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He's completely certain
of what the overall outcome will be.

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He's actually started writing
a farewell letter to his wife.

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He's certain that, in the end,

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the press will do much more to decide
the trial than the judges.

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I offer, then, our document
1760PS as exhibit USA57.

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We haven't got that.

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PINE: The first week or so
of the trial

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after the newspapers' interest
and the furore fades away

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is quite dull and tedious.

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And so the American prosecutor
decides to do something

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quite unprecedented -

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revolutionary really -
in a courtroom.

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MAN: Hello, recording.

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If it please the tribunal,
the prosecution for the United States

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will at this time
present to the tribunal

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a documentary film
on concentration camps.

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SANDS: The prosecutors set up
search lights at the ceiling,

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which would be switched on only
when the films were being played

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and directed towards the faces
of the defendants

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so that everyone in the courtroom

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and the movie cameras
that were recording the moment

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could record the faces
of the defendants

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as they were watching the films.

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We shall proceed with
the projection of the film.

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ANNOUNCER: These are the locations
of the largest concentration

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and prison camps
maintained throughout Germany

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and occupied Europe
under the Nazi regime.

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The films, taken at
Bergen Belsen and elsewhere,

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showing the actions taken by Germans

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had a dramatic effect
in the courtroom.

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GRUNWALD: The court psychologist,
Gustave Gilbert,

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watches the defendants' reactions
to the film.

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Lime covered bodies
are stacked in layers

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and the stench is overpowering.

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Funk covers his eyes
and looks anguished.

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Frank swallows hard,
tries to hold back tears.

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Goering is slumped over the railing,
refusing to watch.

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Streicher watches, completely still,
aside from the odd squint.

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Funk starts to cry, wipes his eyes.

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Frank groans. "Horrible."

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Speer looks sombre, swallowing hard.

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The defence attorneys
mutter amongst themselves.

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"For God's sake."

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"Terrible."

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As the human skin lampshade appears,
Streicher says,

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"I don't believe that."

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Frank shakes his head
and utters another, "Horrible".

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It was known in advance that
it would have a dramatic effect,

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and one of the things
that the prosecution team did

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was to choreograph the presentation
of the films in such a way

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that viewers of the
Movietone images and films

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played in cinemas across the UK

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would be able to see for themselves.

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Funk, already tearful,
puts his hand over his mouth

247
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when the woman's corpses
are tossed into the pit.

248
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,120
For the first time,
even Streicher looks troubled.

249
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,960
This was Bergen Belsen.

250
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,240
The film ends.

251
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,040
The court's adjourned.

252
00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,560
Gilbert describes a deathly silence

253
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,920
as the defendants
leave the courtroom.

254
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:53,120
Frank is agitated, and tells Gilbert
that all the top Nazis,

255
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,320
while perhaps ignorant of details,
knew very well

256
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,320
there was something
terribly wrong with the system.

257
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,560
And this is a really crucial dent
in the ignorance defence

258
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,200
that's employed by practically
all Nazi criminals.

259
00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:09,600
Although Streicher admits
the film was terrible,

260
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,000
Gilbert finds him
completely unfeeling.

261
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,280
In the next breath, he demands
that his guards be quieter at night,

262
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:17,920
so he can sleep.

263
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,360
What really annoys Goering
about the film

264
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,040
is how it spoiled his show.

265
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,520
He tells Gilbert that it had been
a wonderful afternoon.

266
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,400
Everyone had been laughing with him

267
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,560
until what he describes as
"that awful film" ruined everything.

268
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,640
ANNOUNCER: The greatest war crimes
trial in modern history

269
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,360
proceeds at Nuremberg.

270
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Horror unbelievable.

271
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PINE: This film really makes
a big impact in the courtroom

272
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,520
and indeed in the rest of the world.

273
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,200
CHURCHILL: An iron curtain
has descended across the continent.

274
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:06,640
Soviet Russia constitutes a growing
challenge to Christian civilisation.

275
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,120
SANDS: People started saying,
well, hang on a second -

276
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,120
if this is our new enemy,
why are we cooperating with them

277
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in the Nuremberg trial?

278
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,800
MAN: The translation
isn't coming through

279
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,360
to some members of the tribunal -
Russian into English.

280
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ANNOUNCER: It was of course
a very big day

281
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,080
in the history of Fulton, Missouri,

282
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,360
when President Truman and
Winston Churchill paid their visit.

283
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:59,600
CHURCHILL: Ladies and gentlemen,
a shadow has fallen upon the scenes

284
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,240
so lately lighted
by the Allied victory.

285
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:09,440
From Stettin in the Baltic
to Trieste in the Adriatic,

286
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,080
an iron curtain has descended
across the continent.

287
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,280
The Communist parties constitute
a growing challenge and peril

288
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,280
to Christian civilisation.

289
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,800
GRUNWALD: Stalin is furious,
and he accuses Churchill

290
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,480
of having the same
imperialistic ambitions

291
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,440
and race theories as Hitler.

292
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,640
Whatever Churchill's anti-Russian
speech sounded like

293
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,280
to the outside world,

294
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,640
it exploded over the Allied
courthouse in wrecked Nuremberg

295
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,840
like a large post-war bombshell.

296
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,720
SANDS: That had very significant
consequences.

297
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,200
Within the trial it made it
more difficult for the French,

298
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,920
the British, the Americans,
to be seen to be cooperating

299
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,520
with the Soviets,
who were emerging as the new enemy.

300
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,120
People started saying,
well, hang on a second -

301
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,280
if this is our new enemy,
why are we cooperating with them

302
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,240
in the Nuremberg trial?

303
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,200
FLANNER: We have only one daily
newspaper to read, Stars and Stripes,

304
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:20,400
which gave us the startling headline

305
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,640
"Unite to Stop Russians,
Churchill Warns".

306
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,920
In court, we saw the German lawyers

307
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,680
hold the Stars and Stripes
high in their hands

308
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,280
so that Goering and their
other clients in the prisoners' box

309
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,320
could burst into smiling animation
at the glorious good news.

310
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:47,200
GRUNWALD: When news comes through
of Churchill's Iron Curtain speech,

311
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:51,400
the defendants rejoice,
because they see it as a vindication

312
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,760
of their National Socialist
worldview,

313
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,880
that finally the Western allies
will begin to see

314
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,400
that really they should be
grateful to Nazi Germany

315
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,840
for mounting this onslaught
on the Soviet Union.

316
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,960
Even though relations
between the Soviets and the Allies

317
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:09,840
are now pretty close
to breaking point,

318
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,720
the Russians still don't pull out,
because they value the trial.

319
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,160
AKANDE: The defendant has to have
an opportunity to defend themselves.

320
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:38,160
So there's a tension between that
and the defendant then using it

321
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,280
as an opportunity
to perpetrate hate.

322
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,720
GRUNWALD: Goering is doing everything
he can to give the impression

323
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,320
of an affable, likeable man,
a jovial gambler,

324
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,240
but it's all but impossible
to hide his pathological egotism.

325
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,120
FLANNER: He undeniably looked
the bravura personality

326
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,440
with his hard, blue eyes and what is
left of the familiar fleshiness

327
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,760
of his mobile, theatrical face.

328
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,080
When you met Hitler he was not
content with the defeat of Germany

329
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,720
in the previous war?

330
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,040
The defence of the Nazis has begun.

331
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,400
There must be millions of people,

332
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,640
especially the Europeans that
suffered under them for years,

333
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,960
who have wondered with bitter
curiosity what in God's name

334
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:04,960
the Germans could say for themselves
on reckoning day.

335
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:07,480
Now they have started to say it.

336
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,760
And would you specify which acts
of which defendants

337
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,040
you claim are beyond the plan
of the Nazi Party?

338
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,360
MAN: Mr Justice Jackson, the
Tribunal thinks that the question

339
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,680
is somewhat too wide.

340
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,760
SANDS: Robert Jackson,
the American chief prosecutor,

341
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,760
spent more than one day trying
to cross-examine Hermann Goering.

342
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,400
You did...you did prohibit
all court review

343
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,760
of the causes for taking people into
what you called protective custody?

344
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,400
That is right, isn't it?

345
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,160
Let's omit that.
I haven't asked for that.

346
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,120
If you'll just answer my questions,
we'll save a great deal of time.

347
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,240
GRUNWALD: While Goering is never
short of justifications for the war,

348
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,600
he claims total ignorance
when it comes to the atrocities.

349
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,640
He could be nimble, and funny,
but it was all to suggest

350
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,760
an amiable man who couldn't
have meant any harm.

351
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,560
You have no recollection of that?

352
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,960
Am I correct so far?

353
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,200
I really feel that the United States
is deprived of the opportunity

354
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,280
of effective cross-examination.

355
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,760
I trust the court is not unaware
that outside of this courtroom

356
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,440
is a great social question
of the revival of Nazism

357
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,600
and that one of the purposes here
of the defendant Goering,

358
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,760
I think he'd be the first to admit,
is to revive and perpetuate it.

359
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,360
SANDS: The problem with Jackson
was that he was a sort of
appeals lawyer.

360
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,040
He didn't do trials,
he didn't know how to cross-examine,

361
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,960
and I think there was a concern

362
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,240
that the defendants were getting
the better of the prosecutors

363
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,160
and that opened up the possibility

364
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,000
of a disastrous outcome
to the trial.

365
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,400
The consequence of that was
that the British number two,

366
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,680
David Maxwell Fyfe, was wheeled out.

367
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,120
Well, now, just let me remind you,

368
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:41,240
your service provided
the equipment for Dachau.

369
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,080
FLANNER: Sir David was polished,
courageous and masterly.

370
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,520
His strength lay in conducting
the cross-examination in a manner

371
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,000
that clearly kept Goering guessing
about what was coming next,

372
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,200
and each question made his
line of thought more baffling.

373
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,840
Are you telling the Tribunal that
you, the second man in the Reich,

374
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,600
knew nothing about
concentration camps?

375
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,680
Hitler said that the Jews
must either be exterminated

376
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,000
or taken to concentration camps.

377
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:21,160
It's a document dated
22 November, 1943. You've got it?

378
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,640
Yes.

379
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,200
And do you still say neither
Hitler or you knew of this policy

380
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,560
to exterminate the Jews?

381
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,240
Will you answer my question?

382
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,360
You didn't know to what degree,
but you knew there was a policy

383
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,320
aimed at the extermination
of the Jews?

384
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,760
FLANNER: With his bright mind,
his vast legal knowledge,

385
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,800
and the added passion
of a just inquisition,

386
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,640
he stood behind his lectern
and prosecuted the seated Goering

387
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,000
into at least a partial state
of destruction.

388
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,840
SANDS: He more or less
nailed Goering,

389
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,800
who was very deflated by
the end of a couple of days.

390
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,440
Thank you.

391
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,400
He succeeded in doing
what had not yet been done.

392
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,520
He forced Goering to separate himself
intellectually from the Nazi myth.

393
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,800
He forced him to admit the difference
between the glorified Nazi plan

394
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,400
and the ghastly human results.

395
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,240
GRUNWALD: Kaltenbrunner,
in charge of the police,

396
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,760
security police, Gestapo and SS.

397
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,520
He is the henchman instituting
the Final Solution.

398
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,680
JACKSON: I asked you about
an order to kill all inmates

399
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,680
at Mauthausen concentration camp
shortly before the end of the war.

400
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,920
Who was responsible
for that order? Were you?

401
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,840
Now, this time, you're...

402
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,920
This time you are acquainted
with the person

403
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,760
who tells the story, Ziereis -

404
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,760
"The gassing of the prisoners

405
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,800
"was done on the urging
of Dr Kaltenbrunner."

406
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:51,720
I think, for the court, Kaltenbrunner
epitomises a very pronounced sense

407
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,640
of coldness and detachment.

408
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,840
So I think Kaltenbrunner knew
that he was a dead man walking.

409
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,320
Rudolf Hoess is, believe it or not,
a witness of the defence,

410
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,720
and the idea, I think, behind that

411
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,560
is that he will exonerate
Kaltenbrunner.

412
00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:38,480
It backfires spectacularly.

413
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,680
CLAUSSEN: Rudolf Hoess
was called in to testify

414
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,120
that Kaltenbrunner
had never been to Auschwitz.

415
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,960
But then he started to speak
about his brilliant work.

416
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,840
So he really turns out to be a
disastrous witness for the defence.

417
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,360
JACKSON: You commanded Auschwitz
until 1 December, '43,

418
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:59,040
and estimate that at least
2,500,000 victims were executed

419
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,560
and exterminated there
by gassing and burning,

420
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:09,960
and at least another half million
succumbed to starvation and disease,

421
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:15,080
making a total dead
of about 3 million.

422
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,760
At lunch that day,
the defendants are silent.

423
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,600
Frank tells the court psychologist

424
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,400
that this has been
the low point of the trial.

425
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,360
A man sitting in court
and admitting in so many words

426
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,760
that he has exterminated
2.5 million people.

427
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,640
It was something he knows people
will be talking about

428
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,160
for a thousand years.

429
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,440
MAN: You are going too fast.
Sorry.

430
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:42,040
When Vaillant-Couturier walks out,

431
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,960
she very pointedly makes eye contact
with Goering,

432
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,280
in the full knowledge
that she was putting a dagger

433
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,360
through these lies and make-believe
of the defendants.

434
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,200
And that she was doing this
not just for herself,

435
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:01,520
but for all those of her comrades
who didn't make it.

436
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,720
Poland witnessed the mass murder
of millions of people

437
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,360
under Frank's rule.

438
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,680
In 1941, he declared,

439
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,400
"I ask nothing of the Jews
except that they should disappear.

440
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,160
"We must destroy the Jews
wherever we meet them

441
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,600
"and whenever opportunity offers."

442
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,440
Hans Frank really lived
the life of a king.

443
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,040
Driving expensive cars,
living in a castle.

444
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,600
It was a huge contrast
between his life

445
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:57,560
and the life of the people
who had to starve or died

446
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:02,640
because he unleashed this policy
of terror in Poland.

447
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,400
GRUNWALD: Frank confides
to the court psychologist

448
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,800
that he's listened
to a Bach oratorio.

449
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,440
When he heard the voice of Christ
in the piece

450
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,400
it dawned on him,
"I cannot hide the truth from God.

451
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,160
"No, the truth must come out,
once and for all."

452
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,520
I hold the original report

453
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,280
of the destruction
of the Warsaw Ghetto

454
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,200
and Hans Frank
was Governor General of Poland.

455
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,360
Showing the people driven
before the flames,

456
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,360
women and children and old men.

457
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:54,800
The masses lined up against the wall
for execution.

458
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,680
That they jumped from the windows
when the heat became unbearable.

459
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:05,440
They then tried to crawl
with broken bones across the street

460
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,120
into the ruins of burned buildings.

461
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,920
Hans Frank

462
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:28,920
summarised in his diary in 1944
the Nazi policy thus, and I quote -

463
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:34,760
"The Jews as a race are a race
which has to be eliminated.

464
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,720
"Whenever we catch one,
it is his end."

465
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,480
Word got around

466
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,120
that there was a possibility
that Frank would accept guilt.

467
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,360
Everyone in the courtroom
was enormously excited

468
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,480
that Frank was going to confess.

469
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,680
There was a palpable sense
of excitement.

470
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,400
The silence in the courtroom
as Frank spoke.

471
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,200
He acknowledged his responsibility
as a member of the group.

472
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,880
"We as Germans have done this,"
he said,

473
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,720
"I as a German am therefore
collectively responsible."

474
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,680
He did not accept individual
criminal guilt.

475
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,400
His acceptance of collective guilt
drew the wrath of Goering

476
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,040
and other defendants.

477
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,960
I think he knew
he was going to be convicted

478
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,680
but he entertained the hope

479
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,720
that perhaps he might not be
sentenced to death.

480
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,280
He could escape the noose.

481
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,280
Once the court has dealt with
those who were directly involved

482
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,680
in the death camps
and in the war effort,

483
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,760
the court moves on
to examine another layer,

484
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,960
those who had made
Nazi policy possible -

485
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,120
bankers, business leaders,
economists,

486
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,880
those involved in propaganda,
journalists and so on.

487
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,920
JACKSON: ..telling the tribunal that
you, as the head of the Reichsbank,

488
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:15,200
would not know
100,000,000 Reichsmarks
were deposited in your bank?

489
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:23,880
I'm glad you're enjoying this, but
let's get on with it a little more.

490
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,160
Gold dentures of dead Jews
who'd been exterminated

491
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,000
were in the vaults
of your Reichsbank

492
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,920
but you didn't know anything
about that strange deposit.

493
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,680
So that you didn't know...

494
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,560
Are you sure you were in
the Reichsbank in these days?

495
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:41,600
I have no other questions.

496
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,800
They were loyal patriarchs

497
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,720
and they didn't feel themselves
as being criminals.

498
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,520
They felt themselves
as being victims of a war,

499
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,640
which, unfortunately, they lost.

500
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:02,440
GRUNWALD: It became clearer
to what extent

501
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,920
the Nazi system of power
had been popular

502
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,760
and engrained into the very fabric,

503
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,200
not just of German politics,
but of societies.

504
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,640
The defendants were
a curious mix of characters

505
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,960
from the upper echelons
of intellectual prowess

506
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,440
to real low-lives.

507
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,320
And probably the lowest life
was a man called Julius Streicher

508
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,000
who was a sort of propagandist
for Hitler

509
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,200
who ran a couple
of particularly foul magazines

510
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,280
that were deeply, deeply
anti-Semitic.

511
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,000
MAN: Please sit down.

512
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,880
MAN 2: You will see the headlines.

513
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,480
"Jewish race polluters at work."

514
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,520
"15 years old non-Jewish ravaged."

515
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,360
"A dangerous race polluter."

516
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,360
"Rape of a feeble-minded girl."

517
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:02,400
Streicher concocts a nasty, lowbrow
cocktail of hatred and defamation

518
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,760
playing on sexual
and economic stereotypes

519
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,480
and painting Jews as less than human.

520
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,520
What the Nazis did

521
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:17,480
was to drip-feed this caricature
of the Jews as the other,

522
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,200
making them outsiders, brainwashing,

523
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:25,600
to the extent that the German
population would fall behind them.

524
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:36,720
The Nazis portrayed the Jews as rats
in these awful films.

525
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,480
They tried to create a distance
between people

526
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,840
and to dehumanise other people.

527
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,880
And that was really the origins of
the genocide that we saw in Rwanda,

528
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:52,160
where, again, you had the Tutsis
portrayed as cockroaches,

529
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,320
you know, in the media.

530
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,440
And it's that kind
of incitement of hatred

531
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,520
which today continues to be
the origin of these kinds of crimes.

532
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,600
After the liberation,

533
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,840
a lot of people were forced
to walk into concentration camps

534
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,560
and to see the corpses,
the conditions, the atrocities.

535
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:32,360
They didn't want to be confronted

536
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:39,680
with the extremes of depravity
and death that they had caused.

537
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:45,280
Actual human artefacts,
like the skin lampshades.

538
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,840
I think it's when Germans realised

539
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,680
that they too, in a sense,
were in the dock,

540
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:57,000
that the Allies were treating them
as the enablers of Nazi crimes,

541
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,920
and sometimes as collaborators
and perpetrators in those crimes.

542
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,760
At the beginning of the trial

543
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,680
around three-quarters of Germans
approved of the Nuremberg trials.

544
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,720
By the end, that had flipped

545
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,320
and only about a quarter
were in favour of proceedings.

546
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,760
MAN: Name please?
Albert Speer.

547
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,920
If Hitler ever had a friend,
it would have been him.

548
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:33,920
His defence strategy involves

549
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,440
throwing the other defendants
under the bus.

550
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,960
MAN: Name, please?
Albert Speer.

551
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:03,040
You may sit down.

552
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,920
There's no translation
coming through.

553
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,120
Speer is a charismatic figure,

554
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,200
the architect
of many of Hitler's fantasies

555
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,080
about the rebuilding of Germany.

556
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,800
But he is also
Hitler's armaments minister,

557
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,800
able to exploit forced labour

558
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,640
to bring German armaments production
to a peak

559
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,680
at the cost of many hundreds
of thousands of lives.

560
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:49,760
MAN: You knew about the deportation
of 100,000 Jews from Hungary

561
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,120
for Subterranean airplane factories.

562
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,920
That is true, is it not?

563
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,640
That is true, yes.

564
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,680
The total production was marshalled
under me with 14 million workers.

565
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:05,760
Work them to death -
that was the policy.

566
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,080
No use killing them offhand,
so you'll work them to death.

567
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:12,160
And they had to clear it with Speer.

568
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:18,720
Speer, rather than denying the
atrocities that have taken place,

569
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,680
he deflects the blame.

570
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,600
His defence strategy involves

571
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,160
throwing the other defendants
under the bus,

572
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,920
in particular, his deputy,
Fritz Sauckel.

573
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,160
Relations between defendants fray
as the trial goes on.

574
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,520
The court psychologist observes
how angry Sauckel is with Speer.

575
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,520
He claims that it was Hitler
and Speer giving the orders

576
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,400
to push all the labour
towards the war industries.

577
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,200
And it's really unthinkable that,

578
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:11,440
being such a closely enmeshed part
of Hitler's innermost circle,

579
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,200
he was unaware of the genocide

580
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,320
that furnished his legions
of forced labourers.

581
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,360
SANDS: In a trial,
there are always particular moments

582
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,640
that become emblematic -
they crystallise the horror,

583
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,720
they crystallise the act of guilt,
if you like.

584
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,600
And I think that in Nuremberg,
when Hartley Shawcross

585
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:44,800
takes a witness statement
written by a German

586
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,080
who has witnessed an act of killing.

587
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:53,160
"Without screaming or weeping,
these people undressed,

588
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,400
"stood around in family groups,

589
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,800
"kissed each other, said farewells.

590
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,440
"During the 15 minutes
that I stood near

591
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,280
"I heard no complaint
or plea for mercy..."

592
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,520
And the reason
that it stays in one's mind

593
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,960
is that he homes in on individuals.

594
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,960
You know, when you're confronted
with vast numbers of bodies,

595
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,240
when you're told about millions
who have perished,

596
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,560
it becomes very difficult to grapple

597
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:28,520
with the human reality
of what has gone on.

598
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,840
And what Hartley Shawcross did
was he focused on a single family.

599
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,160
"The father was holding the hand
of a boy about 10 years old

600
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,680
"and speaking to him softly.

601
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,080
"The boy was fighting his tears.

602
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:45,360
"The father pointed to the sky,
stroked his head,

603
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,360
"and seemed to explain something
to the boy.

604
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,680
"At that moment, the SS man at the
pit counted off about 20 persons

605
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,560
"and instructed them to go
behind the earth mound.

606
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:01,640
"Among them was the family
which I have mentioned.

607
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,000
"I walked around the mound
and found myself confronted

608
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,040
"by a tremendous grave."

609
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,240
And that moment sticks with me

610
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,200
and I'm sure it will have stuck
with the judges.

611
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,600
It's a moment that is deeply human
and deeply personal.

612
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:27,800
12 million men, women and children
have died thus,

613
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,720
murdered in cold blood.

614
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,400
Millions upon millions more today

615
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,480
mourn their fathers
and their mothers, their husbands,

616
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,680
their wives and their children.

617
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,080
What rights has any man to mercy

618
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:49,320
who has played a part,
however indirectly, in such a crime?

619
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,320
It's the kind of speech

620
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,120
which would have pushed across
the line of a life sentence

621
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,160
into a sentence of death.

622
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,040
It was enormously powerful

623
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,240
and it was extraordinarily
beautifully delivered.

624
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,600
You will remember, when you come
to give your decision,

625
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,960
the story of Dubno,

626
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,360
but not in vengeance -

627
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:15,920
in a determination that these things
shall not occur again.

628
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,480
The father, you will remember,

629
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,240
pointed to the sky

630
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,200
and seemed to say something
to his boy.

631
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,280
The room will adjourn.

632
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,120
ANNOUNCER: The case of humanity

633
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,040
versus 21 leaders
of German National Socialism.

634
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:42,760
Now it has ended.

635
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,200
Ended after 284 days.

636
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,200
After the speaking
of 5 million words.

637
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,240
Ended after a chronicle of horror

638
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,920
such as the world has never heard
nor ever will again.

639
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,080
12 years of Nazi terror.

640
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:59,240
12 years of the madness
of an entire nation.

641
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,960
12 years of murder and death.

642
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,840
Behind them, perished by the frenzy
of Hitler's Germany,

643
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,320
the silent dead wait for justice.

644
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,480
The judgement that's now
about to be delivered

645
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,320
has to prove that the victors
can so rise above human nature

646
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,080
as to be able to try fairly
the foes they vanquished,

647
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:27,880
by submitting themselves
to the restraints of law.

648
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,560
Hence, the judgement
of the Nuremberg Tribunal

649
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:36,000
may be one of the most
important events

650
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,520
in the history of civilisation.

651
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:47,960
REPORTER: Military authorities
were redoubling their security
precautions.

652
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,280
Armed guards were
greatly increased in number

653
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,360
both in the courthouse itself and in
the surrounding areas of the city.

654
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,520
Once again comes the familiar scene -

655
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,400
the crowded, floodlit courtroom

656
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,160
with the 21 Nazi leaders
taking their places in the dock.

657
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,840
MAN: Now recording. Now recording.

658
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,160
First to be dealt with
was Hermann Goering.

659
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,320
The tribunal finds
the defendant Goering

660
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,600
guilty on all four counts
of the indictment.

661
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,280
Hans Frank, former Governor General
of Occupied Poland.

662
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,600
The tribunal finds
that Frank is guilty.

663
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,360
Striecher's incitement to murder
and extermination

664
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,520
clearly constitutes
a crime against humanity.

665
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,040
The tribunal finds that Streicher
is guilty on count 4.

666
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,040
The tribunal finds
that Sauckel is guilty...

667
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:18,080
The tribunal finds that Speer
is guilty under counts 3 and 4.

668
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,880
SANDS: These people,
the defendants at Nuremberg,

669
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,200
were absolutely knowing
and willing participants.

670
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,920
They were true believers,
true supporters

671
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,800
and utterly committed
to the extermination
of millions of human beings.

672
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,840
Hermann Wilhelm Goering,

673
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,320
on the counts of the indictment
on which you have been convicted,

674
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,600
the tribunal sentences you
to death by hanging.

675
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,520
Joachim von Ribbentrop,
death by hanging.

676
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,840
Julius Streicher, death by hanging.

677
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,880
Hans Frank, death by hanging.

678
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,960
Defendant Fritz Sauckel

679
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,040
the tribunal sentences you
to death by hanging.

680
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,280
Defendant Albert Speer,

681
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,680
the tribunal sentences you
to 20 years' imprisonment.

682
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,080
REPORTER: Very soon after
the last sentence had been read,

683
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,640
the people of Nuremberg were rushing
to learn their former leaders' fate.

684
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,560
Perhaps as they read,

685
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,320
they remembered the appalling cost
of the Second World War.

686
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,480
Soon the guilty men will receive
their just reward

687
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,640
but behind them they leave
a legacy of sorrow and suffering

688
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,720
that a thousand years
will never wipe out.

689
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,000
Gustave Gilbert,
the court psychologist,

690
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,000
watches as the defendants
return to their cells.

691
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,280
He describes Goering as looking pale.

692
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,200
Despite attempts
to appear nonchalant,

693
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,360
his eyes are popping,
his hands trembling.

694
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:09,000
Frank, shaken, says,
"Death by hanging.

695
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,760
"I deserved it and I expected it."

696
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,560
Kaltenbrunner's face appears unmoved

697
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,880
but his tightly clasped hands
reveal his fear.

698
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,640
Sauckel is sweating and trembling

699
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,320
when he tells the American
psychologist about his sentence,

700
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,920
which he regards as deeply unfair.

701
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,560
He starts to cry.

702
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,720
When Goering is able to talk,

703
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,280
his voice is no longer filled
with confident bravado.

704
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,560
Gilbert thinks that, finally,

705
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,800
he has realised there is
nothing funny about death,

706
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,040
not when it's you
that's going to die.

707
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,400
This is Arthur Gaeth
reporting from Nuremberg.

708
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:15,640
Wilhelm Hermann Goering,
guilty on all four counts,

709
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,560
the active agent of Hitler

710
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,600
who combined a court of steel
and cruelty

711
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:25,160
with a lust of self-adornment
and power and a certain affability,

712
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,480
escaped his fate of hanging

713
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,680
by committing suicide
at 10:45 last night -

714
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,960
less than three hours before
he would have been executed.

715
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:41,160
Goering succeeded in taking
cyanide of potassium.

716
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,480
How he obtained it
has not yet been determined.

717
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,800
Just before 1:00 in the morning,

718
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,400
our correspondent group
was led into the execution chamber.

719
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,840
It was a harrowing, difficult
assignment to watch these men die.

720
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:04,160
It was all a precise, businesslike,
impersonal operation,

721
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:10,280
one that had needed doing so badly
after such terror and aggression.

722
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,560
That they died after a trial

723
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:18,040
in which they were given every
opportunity to defend themselves,

724
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:22,000
out of their own mouths
and their own records

725
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,680
these men had been judged
and found guilty.

726
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:32,840
The court has said that aggressive
war is an international crime

727
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:37,040
and only by punishing individuals
who commit such crimes

728
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,400
can the provisions
of international law be enforced.

729
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,240
Justice has been done.

730
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,480
This happened in Nuremberg.

731
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,200
The day after the last of
the top Nazi leaders are executed,

732
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,600
the court psychologist asks
one of the German lawyers

733
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,600
what the German people are thinking.

734
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,560
He replies, "They think
whatever you want them to think."

735
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,080
In his opinion,

736
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:25,080
12 years under Hitler had destroyed
the moral fibre of the people.

737
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,880
I think a combination of this,
and post-war destitution,

738
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,600
had left behind a country

739
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:37,120
desperately in need of physical,
but also moral, reconstruction.

740
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,360
SANDS: All roads lead
to that moment in Nuremberg.

741
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:52,840
It's where international criminal
justice, in its modern sense, began.

742
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,360
Looking back
to the Nuremberg trials,

743
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,960
it shows us we should never forget
that what we have today

744
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,720
isn't something
we should take for granted.

745
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,720
GRUNWALD: It's very hard to discern
nice people under a Swastika flag.

746
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,560
When Neo-Nazis demonstrate
against black voter registration

747
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,600
in Charlottesville

748
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:23,240
or in favour of retaining symbols
of an anti-democratic past,

749
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,280
it's very important
that our governments

750
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,000
heed the lessons of Nuremberg

751
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,400
and we that we remind them
that we haven't forgotten

752
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,040
that the whole idea was
'never again'.

753
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,600
CROWD: (CHANTS) Black lives matter!
Black lives matter!

754
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,280
We definitely do have a problem
with right-wing extremism

755
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:39,960
and Neo-Nazis again.

756
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,240
We can't afford to be complacent.

757
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,440
As powerful as
the Nuremberg moment has been

758
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,520
in Germany and in international law,

759
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,280
it's not a cure.

760
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,400
REPORTER: Are you prepared
to use the military

761
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,000
against US citizens?

762
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:02,720
We still see leaders today continue
to use incitement of racial hatred

763
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:07,720
or just hatred of the other
and the dehumanising of the other

764
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,720
either to get to power
or to remain in power.

765
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:13,800
SANDS: One of the great ironies,
of course,

766
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:15,880
is that two countries
that did more than any other

767
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,000
to create that sense
of international criminal justice,

768
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:20,960
the United States
and the United Kingdom,

769
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,320
have reached the edge of the abyss

770
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:28,480
in terms of their commitment to the
model which they themselves created.

771
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,280
Which country is prosecuting
members of ISIS

772
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,720
for crimes of genocide
and crimes against humanity?

773
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,000
It's not Britain.
It's not the United States.

774
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:39,640
It's Germany.

775
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,280
That says a lot.

776
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:45,640
AKANDE: Nuremberg's really important

777
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,520
for Germany coming to grips
with its own history,

778
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,720
and other countries haven't come
to grips with their history

779
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,240
in similar ways.

780
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:59,320
You had slavery,
you had segregation of the races.

781
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,520
And at no point has the country
gone through a moment

782
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,560
like what Germany went through
with Nuremberg,

783
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,800
where they've actually had to
look at themselves and say,

784
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,640
"What exactly has gone on
in our country?"

785
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,480
They've not had to look
at themselves

786
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,480
to actually think about how they're
going to try and make that right.

787
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,600
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